Chapter 1: What incident involving ICE sparked public outrage?
Hey everybody, welcome back to the Find Out podcast. Quick apology for not having a show last week on Thursday, but we were all together, and we don't actually know how to do a show together without professionals with us, so we did not do it. We're a bunch of idiots. Ticked on live or something, like just put it on our phone. Yeah, we should have done that.
But anyways, we were doing a lot of planning and stuff we could share with you soon, but obviously, unfortunately, the main topic of today is the thing that everybody's talking about, which is that ICE has... murdered a second American citizen, a nurse, an ICU nurse by the name of Alex Preti.
I think we've all seen about 17 different angles of this horrific, horrific moment in which ICE goes up, instigates, tackles him to the ground, takes the gun that he had in his waist away from him, of which he never touched. And then they fired about 10, because they were counting in some of these videos,
Ten shots into this man who is now obviously no longer with us, which has set off a firestorm again as ICE has done what they did two weeks ago to Rene Good. But in this particular case, it is even clearer that it was a execution. I think we can say execution at this point. And the country is at a boiling point and something's going to have to give here soon.
And that's what we're going to talk about here today is. how we're feeling about this, what Democrats could do to stop this.
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Chapter 2: How do political figures respond to the actions of ICE?
We have some ideas. And also just talk about this general awfulness. So who wants to kick off their feelings about how shitty this is?
My first reaction, and I'm pleased that it didn't go this way, was when I saw this happen and then when I saw the video, I was like, there's going to be fucking riots. Yep, that's what I thought too. And it's going to be really bad. And Trump immediately was calling Jacob Fry and Tim Walz insurrectionists on true social and was like, I hear that word.
And I know that you've threatened to invoke the Insurrection Act a thousand times. So I thought. We might be 12 hours away from like depending on how people respond in the streets, which I'm glad they didn't, you know, from from him invoking the Insurrection Act. And then that would be doom spiraling for everybody. And we'd have to start to, like, work back from that. It would just get worse.
So the fact that Minneapolis responded well, you know, as well as you can, that Tim Walz, you know, he activated the National Guard immediately. I think they took the right steps to keep Trump from.
Chapter 3: What role does apathy play in societal accountability?
having permission to do the things that he might have wanted to do. And that certainly Stephen Miller and people like that were telling him to do.
Um, and you know, and since then I feel like the state's leadership and state's investigators, the national guard I saw is handing out hot chocolate and pizza to the protesters, uh, wearing, wearing bright yellow vests so that nobody can see fucking ice, uh, ice agents. Everyone who's trying to be the better version of America is, is stepping up. And, uh,
And it's painted them, the Trump people, in a really, really difficult corner to get themselves out of. And I think that's why it's showing up. Like, don't worry, guys, Tom Homan's showing up now. So he'll take care of it all.
The fucking guy who accepted $50,000 on a bribe.
I was going to say, is he paying for his flight with the bag of cash that he's never said where it went?
We should get him some of that Somali fraud money and then, you know, boom. Oh, yeah. He's closed.
He could, like, triple his money in no time.
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Chapter 4: What strategies are proposed for legislative change?
Yeah. So for those who don't know, Trump has I don't know if I'd say walking it back today, but he is he has said that he had a very I don't know. He always describes the phone calls so stupidly, but tremendous. I had a tremendous phone call with Tim Walls or pleasant or I don't know, beautiful. He said beautiful, perfect phone calls. Yeah. He's also talked to the mayor, Jacob Frye.
And his solution to this problem is to send Tom Homan, who runs ICE, which is not really a great solution. And I think he also tossed in he's going there to investigate LLMR because, of course, you've got to throw some racism into the pile and not just admit anything. But they're losing. The public opinion on this is so stark that only the most diehard – Right. No, I mean, like, I'm happy.
I'm a little surprised, but I'm happy. But, like, there are groups.
Chapter 5: How do celebrities influence public discourse on political issues?
I mean, there were two gun groups yesterday, the NRA being one of them, after being silent for a day because they are cowards and they don't deserve any credit here. But they did put out a tweet that said that one of the U.S.
attorneys had tweeted out something that's like, if you approach a law enforcement officer and you are carrying, there is a high likelihood that they will be justified in shooting you, which is not true. Mm-hmm. And they actually came out and said that.
And then there was a guy from the Minnesota Gun Owners Association or something like that said, I've watched the video and it doesn't look like Alex Preddy did anything wrong. So there are fissures in a usually like an ironclad group. I think they know they're in trouble.
And the other thing I'll mention and then we can go into it is that one of the leading candidates for Minnesota governor today dropped out of the race. And the reason that he gave was that he can no longer support what the U.S. federal government and national Republicans are doing in his state. Yeah.
And I think that is a big deal. I would like to point out that the NRA said that one thing that was good, but their far-reaching statement on the thing was majorly sucking ICE's dick. I mean, they did not do any of this shit where, like, okay, he was all right.
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Chapter 6: What are the implications of qualified immunity for ICE agents?
No. Their broad-reaching statement was bullshit. Of course.
They suck, to be clear. But even the littlest... They get that one little thing. I'll give them that. But the fissures for them... Zach, go ahead.
No, I mean, I think... This is the reason I was maybe the least alarmist or everybody about Trump getting elected is because I think that every single person, even the people who voted for Trump, there is a breaking point, a threshold of their breaking point. And all we're seeing is Trump taking more steps and more people reaching that breaking point.
And I think he's starting to realize, oh, fuck, there are too many people reaching their breaking point right now because Trump, his main thing is how well am I doing? And at a certain point, You can't spin it like when things are like not great, but like you could probably spin it on Fox News. It sounds like it's fine. Trump thinks shit is going awesome.
Chapter 7: How does misinformation on social media impact political narratives?
And all the people in his ear go and you're doing great. This is awesome. When it's shit like this, Trump reverses course in a millisecond because he's just like, oh, shit, they don't like me. And he just it's too real for him. So I think I saw it's a very good call is what he referred to it as with Tim Walz. So, you know, pretty good. Not surprising.
He said, quote, seem to be on a similar wavelength. I think Trump is coming to the terms of the fact that, like, this is just a bunch of lunatics that like what he's doing. And everybody who pretty much elected him is going, nope, sir. Greg Abbott says he needs to get that shit straightened out. That's really rough.
Yeah. If all Hot Wheels is coming out, you're in trouble.
And that's a big task for him, given all the ice in Texas.
Chapter 8: What reflections are made on the responsibilities of elected officials?
I know.
There's a fuckload of it. Ted Cruz evacuated. That's true. He did leave again. He went to Laguna for a fundraiser, I think. And then, of course, he posts this ridiculous photo that's like, here, I'm back. And it's like, you are... He's such a piece of shit.
But... Yeah, I think, you know, this is the closest that those people get to saying I did something wrong or I'm apologizing. People keep thinking that that them failing will look like them saying we failed.
No, them failing is we recognizing that they are failing and we say it and then we don't go, OK, well, now that now that you recognize that you made some mistakes, now is the time for civility.
Yeah.
We have to stay on offense until – I think the direction we're going with the government shutdown, not to get into that too quickly, but the potential government shutdown, like yes, unmask, reduce the extra funding. Like there are things that a completely disarmed democratic minority in Congress can still do. I can try to extract some concessions to slow it down. Right.
At least at least do just do the right thing. But but if you can successfully slow anything down that that that works, that helps. If you can, you know, pull things out of the out of the budget and then get it through so that, you know, things have to materially change, that's even better.
But anything to get us through the next 10 months to where we can do like, you know, push hard for impeachments and a full blown defunding and that kind of thing. It's all the right steps, but they need to keep they need to push hard. I have a very hard like it's one thing for Trump to go ahead. A very good call with Tim Walz.
I think it's a totally other thing to expect him to actually reverse course from a policy perspective because Trump still likes the policy. He still likes ICE. He still wants to do all this shit. I have a very hard time believing that unless Democrats actually fucking hold the line and don't cave that he'll do anything about this. Like he'll just be like, well, that was a little too much.
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