How Putin made North Korea richer – and more dangerous
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Today, Pyongyang is booming, thanks to a flood of Russian money, and it's fast becoming a dangerous regional power in its own right, with a nuclear arsenal that can threaten the continental United States. Quite an extraordinary turned round for its eccentric dictator Kim Yong un. So how has North Korea done it, and what should the West do about it? I'm Tom. And I'm Patrick. Welcome to The General and the Journalist. Well, joining us today to explain that incredibly dramatic transformation of North Korea, I'm very pleased to say, is Doctor Victor Cha, who is one of the US's leading experts on the Korean Peninsula. Doctor Charles is also a practitioner of the arts, he's a former White House national security official under George W.
Bush, and then a Pentagon advisor under President Joe Biden. He's now the career chair of the Washington based Centre for Strategic and International Studies. Dr. Shaw, Victor, as we may call you, thanks for joining us.
Thank you. It's a pleasure to be with you.
As we've just said, you've worked for Republican and Democrat presidents alike.
How did North Korea’s economy transform from a pandemic‑hit backwater to a booming regional power?
I won't ask you which one was your favourite, unless you wanted to share that with us. But perhaps I'll ask you something slightly different. Which of the US presidents of all we've seen in the last twenty years, do you think understood the particular conundrum of North Korea the best?
It's a hard question to answer, Tom. I mean I think that they all had to understand it because at one point or another there was a crisis with regard to North Korea in every single presidential administration. What I will say is that I think There were three presidents that chose to deal with it in three different ways. The first was Bill Clinton, who decided to do a bilateral negotiation with North Korea, just the United States and North Korea at the table to try to make an agreement on denuclearization. Then there was the administration that I worked for. that basically framed the North Korea issue as a regional security problem and said that it should not just be the United States but China, Russia, Japan, and both Korea should be at the table, the so called six party talks.
And then the third was actually Donald Trump in his first term in o in office, who said that uh basically the way I'm gonna deal with this is I'm just gonna talk directly to the North Korean leader. to see if we can make a deal. So three very different approaches all to try to deal with this national security issue.
Yeah, and very arguably none of the three, all being very different, worked. But we're gonna get to that. First, Victor, the transformation in in North Korea economically is is, I think, unknown to to many of us. We're just really learning about it now. The capital, Pyongyang, we're used to all these drab pictures of communism and and poverty, but it's a completely different city than it was a few years ago, isn't it?
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:00–2:28
2
How did North Korea’s economy transform from a pandemic‑hit backwater to a booming regional power?
2:28–5:45
3
What role does Russian money, food, energy and weapons play in fueling Kim Jong Un’s regime?
5:45–9:50
4
How are China, Russia and North Korea reshaping their strategic triangle in East Asia?
9:50–13:56
5
Why is North Korea’s growing nuclear and missile capability now considered a direct threat to the United States?
13:56–18:34
6
Why have three‑decade attempts at North Korean denuclearisation consistently failed?
18:34–22:36
7
Who is likely to succeed Kim Jong Un and what does his succession plan reveal about the regime’s stability?
22:36–27:05
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What are the prospects for a diplomatic breakthrough with North Korea – can talks with Washington loosen its alliance with Putin?
27:05–45:44