How Ukraine’s leadership crisis impacts the war

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Why did President Zelensky dismiss his defence minister and army chief?

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Tom Newton Dunn 0:32
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Tom Newton Dunn 1:20
He sacked his popular tech savvy defense minister. Young Ukrainians took to the streets for nearly a week, forcing him to also then fire his veteran armed forces chief, and the power struggle is not over just yet. So why has this happened? And why now, just as Kiv was turning the tables on Russia and starting to see some real success? And what does it all mean for the war? I'm Tom and I'm Patrick. Welcome
General Sir Patrick Sanders 1:45
to The General and the Journalist.
Tom Newton Dunn 1:48
How are you, Patrick? I'm good, thank you, Tom. First things first, though, you've had some personal news of your own in the last week or so. Patrick or should that be General the Lord Saunders?
General Sir Patrick Sanders 2:00
Yeah, I'd I'd really rather you didn't. Um no, you're right, Tom. I'm I'm going into the House of Lords if you can believe that, as a as a conservative peer. Congratulations. Well thank you. Thank you. My head's uh spinning because it happened, I think as you know, very, very fast and very unexpectedly, and I haven't still quite got my head round it. And I didn't have very much time to think about it. I mean really hours. But then I realised that it's another chance to serve and to To act, if you like, as a champion for the soldiers, sailors, and airmen and women that I've loved working with the last 40 years. And it's an amazing opportunity to do something about what we've been talking about on this podcast for the last year or so.
General Sir Patrick Sanders 2:38
Anyway, as far as the general and the journalist is concerned, nothing's changed. I'll do my best to offer the same fearless and objective military analysis that we've been doing. And I know you'll keep me on this talk.
Tom Newton Dunn 2:51
You can bet your bottom door on that. And crucially, we're gonna have to change the podcast name do we to the Lord and the journalists. It sounds a bit uh
General Sir Patrick Sanders 2:57
bit pompous. Yeah, I uh yeah, uh let's just uh let's just not go there. Anyway, Tom, um on to much more important things. In the last week, Vladimir Zelensky has lost his defence minister, Misha Fedorov, and his commander in chief, General Alexander Sursky. So why don't you just walk us through what's happened?
Tom Newton Dunn 3:14
Yeah, it's been quite an extraordinary couple of weeks in in Kyiv, really. And it really is all about those two men, Fedorov and Sersky. Fedorov was appointed defense minister in January. Now he's about half the age of Certes, he's 35. And from the get go, the two didn't get on. They really didn't. They they clashed on almost everything military strategy, military culture. And their their rows got more and more interceding and and a little bit pathetic, really, to be honest.

What were the main arguments between Mykhailo Fedorov and General Oleksandr Syrskyi?

Tom Newton Dunn 3:38
So they would counteract each other's decisions. One man might create a new unit and send some troops to bolster it, and then the other one would take those troops away and try. And disable it. And it really all came down to who was actually running this war: the politician or the general, the democratic elected government, or the the military command. It came to a head, really, with uh Fedroff as the tech savvy, more tech-leaning drone happy guy, and Sersky as uh obviously embracing drones, but you know, also believing in in the need for for old-fashioned fighting and traditional fighting.

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