The Mass Purge of Immigration Judges, and Melania Trump’s Surprise Epstein Remarks

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What is the impact of Trump's immigration judge purges?

Josh Hainer 0:00
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Tracy Mumford 0:32
From the New York Times, it's the headlines. I'm Tracy Mumford. Today's Friday, April 10th. Here's what we're covering. In the break room of a courthouse in Massachusetts, workers put up a sign decorated with balloons saying, we'll miss you. It was part of a goodbye party for an immigration judge. Then another immigration judge was out and another. Soon they were having so many goodbye parties, they just left the decorations up. It was all part of a massive wave of firings the Trump administration has carried out. A new investigation from The Times shows how the administration has gone after immigration judges specifically, the ones who decide if someone should get asylum or be deported, in its larger effort to reshape the immigration system.
Nicholas Nehamas 1:21
You know, these judges wear robes, but they are not part of the judicial branch. They are not independent. They work for the attorney general and they can be fired. And so the Trump administration has used that lever of pressure.
Tracy Mumford 1:34
My colleague Nick Nehamas is part of the team who worked on the investigation.

How did the Trump administration reshape the immigration court system?

Tracy Mumford 1:37
He says immigration courts have long had a reputation for being dysfunctional with a huge backlog of cases. That's something critics and supporters of immigration agree on. But he says the way Trump is approaching it has alarmed many judges who work in the system. They described being systematically pressured to deport more people and threatened with disciplinary action if they didn't.
Nicholas Nehamas 2:01
They also sent out memos to judges. One of the most prominent basically said, hey, it's come to our attention that some of you are, quote, exhibiting bias in favor of aliens and against the government. And the message was, you know, we're not telling you how to rule, but we think you're biased in favor of immigrants. And so judges took a pretty clear message from that, that they were supposed to rule more in favor of the government. Every president tries to bring the immigration courts in line with their own policies, but no president has moved as quickly or as comprehensively as Trump to fire so many judges, to change so many policies, and to really fundamentally transform how the courts work.
Nicholas Nehamas 2:54
The consequences have been fast and dramatic. We've seen the asylum rate drop to a record low. We've seen the number of deportation orders soar to a record high. We've seen more people locked up in detention centers and even more people deciding to give up their cases and accept being removed from the country rather than keep fighting from behind bars.
Tracy Mumford 3:22
In response to questions, the Justice Department did not explain how it chose which judges to fire. And a White House spokeswoman said, quote, You can read the full investigation at NYTimes.com. Now, on the war with Iran, a few things to know as we head into the weekend. Tomorrow, in Pakistan, a delegation from the U.S. is set to meet with Iranian officials to try and hammer out a longer-term peace agreement. The current ceasefire only runs for two weeks. The U.S.

What are the consequences of the changes in immigration policy?

Tracy Mumford 4:00
is sending Vice President J.D. Vance, along with Trump's Special Envoy Steve Witkoff and his son-in-law Jared Kushner. Veteran diplomats have raised concerns that Trump has sidelined skilled experts who normally would have helped with these kinds of talks. And he's putting diplomacy in the hands of a friend and family member instead whose backgrounds are in real estate.
Unknown 4:21
Also, very few ships have yet passed through. Who is the Strait of Hormuz open to if you say it is now open? To everyone. Anybody who communicates with the Iranian Authority has got permission from us.

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