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1344: Avocados | Skeptical Sunday

14 Jun 2026

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Chapter 1: What dark truths lie behind the avocado industry?

0.47 - 24.177 Jessica Wynn

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24.858 - 28.182 Jessica Wynn

Aloita ilmainen kokeilu shopify.com-sivustolla.

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32.296 - 49.275 Jordan Harbinger

Welcome to Skeptical Sunday. I'm your host, Jordan Harbinger. Today I'm here with Skeptical Sunday co-host, writer, and researcher, Jessica Wynn. On the Jordan Harbinger Show, we decode the stories, secrets, and skills of the world's most fascinating people and turn their wisdom into practical advice that you can use to impact your own life and those around you.

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49.255 - 62.128 Jordan Harbinger

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98.233 - 117.889 Jordan Harbinger

That's right, the fruit that ruins brunch prices, clogs Instagram feeds, and somehow convinces us that it's normal to pay $15 for toast. It's just that good. But behind the memes and the guacamole bowls, there's a darker story. When you order that sign of avocado, it's less likely farm-to-table and more likely cartel-to-cafe.

117.869 - 133.647 Jordan Harbinger

To help find out what that additional $2 avocado option is really paying for is writer and researcher Jessica Wynn. Hey, Jess. So I love avocados. Are you going to tell me I shouldn't be eating them? Because we've already, you know, we've ruined like coffee and quite a few other crowd favorites.

134.147 - 145.48 Jessica Wynn

I know. Well, nutritionally, avocados are terrific. But this isn't about health benefits. A lot happens before that avocado ends up on your toast.

Chapter 2: How did the Haas avocado become the world's favorite?

180.397 - 183.422 Jordan Harbinger

Actually, it probably. Yeah. No, it would have gone viral. That would have done well.

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183.482 - 210.027 Jessica Wynn

It kind of sounds like a threat, like. You're not just toast, you're testicle toast. But the name aside, the fruit was highly valued. Spanish conquistadors wrote home about seeing piles of avocados in the markets of Tenochtitlan, which is Mexico City today. From there, avocados spread through the Caribbean and into colonial agriculture. By the 19th century, they reached the U.S. through Florida.

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210.007 - 216.02 Jordan Harbinger

So some guy tried this wrinkly green fruit named after his balls and thought, like, America needs this in bulk.

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216.2 - 244.907 Jessica Wynn

Pretty much. And that guy was Dr. Henry Perrine, an amateur horticulturist who planted the first avocado trees in Florida in 1833. His grafting techniques laid the groundwork for commercial production later, but after his death in 1840, the cultivation, it stalled. Nobody really picked it up until Cuban seeds reintroduced the fruit back into Florida in the early 1900s.

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244.887 - 248.191 Jordan Harbinger

So Florida was our first supplier. Some things never change, I guess.

248.391 - 270.557 Jessica Wynn

Right, right. Until California's industry took off. The first California trees were planted in 1850. But the real breakthrough came in 1871 when Judge R.B. Ord, he brought seedlings from central Mexico to Santa Barbara. And those flourished and launched California's avocado industry.

270.537 - 294.452 Jessica Wynn

By the early 1900s, multiple varieties were being cultivated, but the most important was the fuerte, brought from Mexico in 1911. But in 1913, there was this devastating freeze that wiped out almost every tree except the fuerte, and that survival made it the dominant variety for decades.

294.432 - 298.918 Jordan Harbinger

The Fuerte is still really popular. I had no idea that there's such, those are some tough avocados.

299.098 - 315.518 Jessica Wynn

Yeah, I know. And they were expensive. In 1905, avocados sold for 30 to 50 cents a piece when the average worker made about 22 cents an hour. So eating one was like buying a luxury item.

Chapter 3: What role do drug cartels play in avocado production?

394.294 - 398.301 Jordan Harbinger

I'm just saying, like, I didn't expect that to be the genesis of our avocado obsession.

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398.281 - 421.909 Jessica Wynn

Yeah. And Haas became a global standard. His Haas variety, like I said, it could hang on the tree longer without spoiling. So its flavor was richer than those bigger, you know, the bright green Florida avocados. And they were just easier to ship. So this is all why most avocados you buy today look and taste the same no matter where you are in the world.

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421.889 - 431.477 Jordan Harbinger

They have that also in common with testicles. So while House was out there, let that sink in. So while House was out there grafting his miracle tree, the industry itself started organizing.

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431.66 - 461.38 Jessica Wynn

Yeah. And in 1915, California growers formed the California Avocado Association. And their big concern was avoiding the mistakes that citrus farmers had made and educating Americans about this strange new fruit. So they even debated on the name avocado. Should it be aguacate? Some people called it alligator pears. But they actually held a vote and they voted on avocado. Wow.

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461.36 - 464.103 Jordan Harbinger

I feel like alligator pear was kind of a missed opportunity.

464.384 - 484.89 Jessica Wynn

I know. That's such a great name. It is. But there's actually a lot of restaurants by that name these days. So it's not completely lost. And it was the term used in Florida and Jamaica before 1915. But the name was standardized when the associations and marketers finally settled on avocado because they thought it would sell better.

484.95 - 499.606 Jordan Harbinger

Well, did they split test it? I don't know. One mailman's hobby and now it's all over my Instagram feed. Such a crazy popular food, especially for a green food. You know, you think like green stuff, not that interesting. Maybe that's why it's successful. It's like something green that you actually want to eat.

499.626 - 525.123 Jessica Wynn

That is delicious. Yeah. And then, you know, in 2013, at the height of the avocado craze, Instagram was getting three million new photos of avocado toast every single day. Wow. Hashtags like hashtag avocado love and hashtag avocado porn. It just turned this humble fruit into a cultural icon.

525.143 - 535.343 Jordan Harbinger

Yikes. Don't search avocado porn outside of Instagram. I feel like that could go sideways. So it's basically food only fans. That's fun. What's the what's the problem then?

Chapter 4: How does avocado farming impact local communities in Mexico?

670.48 - 675.525 Jordan Harbinger

Maybe I should stop buying cocaine. I don't know. What do you think that would balance everything out?

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675.545 - 676.906 Jessica Wynn

That just fixes the problem.

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677.126 - 677.887 Jordan Harbinger

That's right. Yeah.

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677.967 - 683.112 Jessica Wynn

You and your blow. I don't know. It might be just as bad as you and your green. I'm not sure.

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683.132 - 686.155 Jordan Harbinger

Yeah. I don't smuggle cocaine anymore. I smuggle that green gold.

686.135 - 717.019 Jessica Wynn

Oh, gross. But so Los Zetas were the first cartel to extort producers in the late 90s. Today, it's the Jalisco New Generation cartel. And there have been several in between. So I'm not exactly sure how cartel territory works, but I do know the cartels developed branding strategies, controlling which fruit left Michoacan, ensuring every crate was taxed.

716.999 - 729.042 Jordan Harbinger

Nobody saw that one coming from deregulated trade. So the war on drugs pushed cartels into avocados. Well, I'm guessing no one pictured that ending with extortion rackets in Michoacan and in other places. Definitely not.

729.463 - 751.432 Jessica Wynn

But Michoacan quickly became the center of avocado production and the same drug cartels that once trafficked all your cocaine. They saw a new opportunity. And these cartels aren't addicted to drugs. They're addicted to the power, the money. So who cares what they're actually trafficking? And so substitute any product you want.

751.592 - 771.576 Jessica Wynn

Cartels treat violence as a form of power, not just a means to money, but just an end in itself. And avocados are part of a broader trend economists call Narco agriculture where cartels exploit these legal crops just like they once exploited cocaine or heroin.

Chapter 5: What environmental consequences arise from avocado cultivation?

872.492 - 877.078 Jessica Wynn

They're kidnapped or killed. Locals call them blood avocados.

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877.058 - 881.384 Jordan Harbinger

Blood avocados sounds like something from a marketing pitch meeting. Just going very wrong.

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882.185 - 903.876 Jessica Wynn

Well, but it is like a blood diamond in some ways. Avocados look beautiful and harmless to the consumer, but hide these stories of violence, extortion and human suffering. You know, with diamonds, it was rebel militants in West Africa. With avocados, it's cartels in Mexico. It's like different commodities, same mechanics.

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903.856 - 910.583 Jordan Harbinger

Well, nobody ever mentions cartel violence when it comes to avocados. They just complain when they're not perfectly ripe or whatever.

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910.683 - 938.274 Jessica Wynn

That's the problem. The violence is invisible to the consumer. This is like when we discussed bananas in episode number 1125 and we talked about coffee in episode 1185. It's just the further away from home our food comes, the less chance we are thinking of its origins and impact. Which is ironic because the avocado boom has become another push factor for migration.

938.754 - 961.285 Jessica Wynn

So families who farmed corn or beans, they get caught in the crossfire of cartel taxes, land grabs, and fights over water. And when their orchards are stolen or their water runs out, they leave. And reports show this is a direct line between U.S. avocado demand and migration pressures at our border.

961.265 - 973.035 Jordan Harbinger

How can I think about my food that way? The irony is staggering. Our demand fuels the displacement that sends people north and it's kind of a loop or a cycle. And somehow, despite all of that, this industry, it keeps on growing. Yeah.

973.055 - 1005.276 Jessica Wynn

Yeah. That's the paradox. I mean, normally organized crime chokes business. But in Michoacán, avocado production expanded alongside the violence. So this U.S. obsession with the superfruit fueled demand no matter what. And between 2016 and 2021, as avocado exports soared, the homicide rate in Michoacán more than doubled. Farmers, journalists and activists were all targeted.

1005.777 - 1016.096 Jessica Wynn

So there's clear evidence the Mexican avocado market's exponential growth has been accompanied by these rising levels of violence from the avocado mafia.

Chapter 6: How can consumers make ethical choices regarding avocados?

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Chapter 7: What alternatives exist to avocados in our diets?

1325.458 - 1328.828 Jessica Wynn

Seriously, their hair has boners or whatever.

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1328.848 - 1340.293 Jordan Harbinger

It's just not a scary gang rep. Like, oh, no, the hair boners are coming off. Deadly serious. But how did the USDA respond to this assault of their inspectors? What do we do here?

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1340.654 - 1346.585 Jessica Wynn

We or they wrote a strongly worded letter and published it.

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1346.725 - 1348.308 Jordan Harbinger

The pen is mightier than the avocado.

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1348.568 - 1368.32 Jessica Wynn

Yeah, I don't think so. But Los Viagras and their rival cartel Jalisco have violent clashes over broader issues with cartel activity. but it often affects the avocado industry. So when the letter threatened to kill the region's most profitable industry, it didn't really matter.

1368.34 - 1389.577 Jessica Wynn

And significant security incidents are often reported, including the assault and kidnapping of two USDA inspectors in June of 2024 while actively inspecting avocados. And all the U.S. did in response was suspend inspections for a week. But then they resumed.

1389.698 - 1396.879 Jordan Harbinger

That's crazy. And I assume it's because it hurts distributors domestically, consumers domestically, so they don't want to halt the avocado trade.

1396.943 - 1410.997 Jessica Wynn

Yeah, and they only give little slaps on the wrist. And in 2022, inspections were halted after a U.S. inspector received death threats that also targeted his family. But the inspections come back. They always continue.

1411.017 - 1428.615 Jordan Harbinger

I just wouldn't have thought it was that dangerous to work for the USDA. I thought the most dangerous thing they did was go to slaughterhouses, which are probably really gross and possibly also dangerous. But what exactly do they do besides that to put themselves at such risk? It just... You would think inspecting avocados would be like more chill. The chillest. I know. Yeah.

Chapter 8: How do trade agreements affect avocado farmers and their communities?

1514.013 - 1519.822 Jordan Harbinger

So this is not an improvement for the consumer. Are any trade agreements that we have in place doing any better?

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1520.002 - 1539.372 Jessica Wynn

Well, NAFTA, which is now known as the USMCA, United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement, it failed to build strong enforcement mechanisms against the cartels. So agreements like these are designed to facilitate trade, not regulate the violence or corruption behind it.

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1539.352 - 1544.278 Jordan Harbinger

So the system is built to protect us from pests, not to protect Mexican farmers, for example.

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1544.298 - 1546.501 Jessica Wynn

Right, not to protect anyone involved.

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1546.521 - 1546.822 Jordan Harbinger

Yeah.

1546.842 - 1556.474 Jessica Wynn

The human rights cost is enormous. So workers get assaulted, families are displaced, inspectors harassed, and activists are silenced.

1556.754 - 1560.499 Jordan Harbinger

Mexico is already one of the deadliest countries for journalists, from what I know.

1560.479 - 1577.403 Jessica Wynn

Yeah, for sure. And some journalists who try to cover these blood avocados were killed in February 2021. So there was a Spanish journalist and his cameraman, and they were ambushed and killed while filming a documentary about the illegal avocado trade.

1577.423 - 1581.289 Jordan Harbinger

Dang. So they were murdered for trying to tell this story, basically the one we're telling right now.

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