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1347: Grandma's Adoption Blocks Custody Option | Feedback Friday
19 Jun 2026
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Chapter 1: What is the situation with Grandma's adoption and custody?
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Welcome to Feedback Friday. I'm your host, Jordan Harbinger. As always, I'm here with Feedback Friday producer, Maché, chillin' in Chile, Gabriel Mizrahi. Way on. Nice one. I like that one. Yeah, they love way on too, don't they? Everything's way on down there. The Chileans. Sipo, sipo. There's a whole other Spanish south of the equator. Somehow. Truly, yeah.
I thought I spoke Spanish and then I came here and I was like, I gotta learn it again, I guess.
Chapter 2: How did a warm bowl of chili become a life-threatening experience?
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It was a really cool conversation, and I think you're going to enjoy it.
Hey, show fam. Producer Jace here. If you want to drive your four-wheel car across the canyon of Gabe's Brush with a Death in Chile, you can jump ahead to timestamp 26 minutes and 35 seconds.
Enjoy the show. So Gabe, how's Chile treating you, man?
Oh man, I have two more days here and I'm really sad to be leaving. It has been incredible, man. Absolutely incredible. I love it here.
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Chapter 3: What legal options does Sam have for regaining custody of Anne?
And I was like, no, I'm good. I'm good with it. And she was like, this old British lady is looking at me and Jen. She's like, oh, look at your bodies. You must just be, oh, it must be so nice to be with one another. And I was like, this is getting spicy, mom.
Yeah. That is a weird vibe in a ceramic shop.
Yeah, it freaking petroglyph. I'm like, am I being sexually harassed by a British pensioner?
I don't know. It sounds more like proposition, but it's a thin line.
She told me I should get a bunch of tattoos because they're really sexy on men. I'm like, calm down, granny.
I fully endorse that decision. Yeah, deuce cruise on your sacrum.
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Chapter 4: How can Sam's mother influence her daughter's decisions?
Oh my goodness. Anyway, so yes, dropping into people's lives with these extra people around, it just adds way more color than you expect sometimes. Love it.
Exactly. So for 10, 11 days, we're just hanging out, making breakfast, lunch, dinner together, hanging out on the deck. I'm working a lot of the times.
a lot of mornings i drive the girls to school oh nice just a weird ritual papa gabe just rolling around the non-town in a four-wheel drive monster truck you rented from hertz nice but yeah it's hilarious so fun and they love it like we listen to k-pop on the way it's just such a ridiculous uh setup here and it's hard to explain but like we've become a real unit you know like we've really bonded just this weird instant family in another country
That does happen when you make oatmeal with people every morning and you're laughing and there's no high-speed internet to mess up the vibe. It's very sweet.
Very touching. Even though sometimes when they talk, especially the girls, I only understand like half of what they're saying because that Chilean slang and how quickly they speak is wild. Okay, so anyway. I have to explain something.
Sebastian built this house on a really beautiful piece of land up this huge hill, and it overlooks this stunning, stunning valley that was formed by these volcanoes. So you just have this incredible vista.
So this is the view you posted on Insta, right? The one that looks like a Mac OS wallpaper?
Yes, that was my view while I was working for the last week, week and a half. So there's a paved road that takes you through their little unofficial town, and then you turn off from that road to a dirt road. You take that up a ways, and then suddenly you're in the sticks.
I feel like a lot of your stories involve turning off of normal streets and driving up hills into chaos.
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Chapter 5: What steps should Sam take to navigate her financial situation?
Okay, so Bang Chan's seen better days.
Seen better days. So yesterday, Sebastian had his weekly football match. He plays in a local club here. And then they had to go run some errands. So he and Javi and Amalia were going together, and they're getting ready to leave, and they have their yerba mate cups in hand, which they don't go anywhere without their yerba mate in their hot water. And they were like, do you want to come with us?
And I was like, kind of, because when else am I going to go drink yerba mate and watch a local Chilean football match? That sounds cool. Again, that's exactly the kind of thing I travel for.
Yes. Cheering on a guy you met five years ago from the sidelines while a cafe mate, whatever, goes straight to the dome.
That mate, you know, yeah, exactly. But then I was like, I don't know, I should really prep the show because this is kind of my one day to get a lot of work done and maybe I'll do some writing of my own. And I had this strong feeling that I needed to be alone and I just needed to do my own thing that day.
Good producer. Appreciate that.
So they leave and I start prepping the show and I'm totally absorbed in what I'm doing. And then I hear the front door open and I'm like, wow, that was fast. Like, was I just in a flow stage and like three hours flew by or was the game canceled or like what happened? And then Sebastian walks in and he's just slightly more amp than he usually is.
And he's like, hermano, have a problem with the car.
Yeah.
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Chapter 6: How can friends best support someone in a custody battle?
That could be it. That might be why they were bought and rebranded. So there's a curve. I'm just wildly defaming this brand. I just discovered. I have no idea. Maybe it's just their car. But anyway, there's a curve in the road right around this part where they were. And Javi takes the curve, pumping the brakes. They won't work. The car picks up speed.
They said it got like to 70 kilometers an hour in a few seconds. Oh my gosh.
Like a rocky mountain road.
Yikes. Yes, exactly. And remember, this is the road that's just wide enough for one car. So she's like panicking, pulls the handbrake. That kind of helps, but it's still going. And so she turns the wheel really hard into the mountain. The front tire hit the side of the hill and the car flipped on its side.
That is terrifying. But at least they didn't go down the canyon.
I know. I guess it was a good decision. And unfortunately, they weren't wearing seatbelts. And I don't know if that's always what they do, because I was always the one driving most of the time, or it was just while they're driving down the hill until they get to the main road, then they put them on. I don't know.
But so Amelia fell from the rear right passenger seat to the ground and hit her head on the window. And Javi hit her leg pretty badly. And poor Sebastian didn't even see what happened because the car disappeared around the corner. He just heard it. And he went running. And when he gets there, he sees their car on its side.
Oh, what a nightmare, man. This poor guy.
So they walk in. I'm sitting there like my laptop is propped up on a pillow on my on my lap. And they walk in like in a state. And now Amelia is like, oh, I'm getting sleepy. And poor Javi starts crying because she's like, oh, my God, I just might have killed my boyfriend's second mother.
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Chapter 7: What are the implications of Sam's mother's behavior?
As you can imagine, everybody was kind of shaken up, but like starting to chuckle about it. And everyone was just feeling very grateful because this could have gone a very different way.
Yeah, no kidding. They're so lucky they didn't drive off the canyon, man. South America, probably, the roads, rural roads don't have guardrails and stuff like that. I mean, why would they?
Actually, Chile's infrastructure is excellent. This is the easiest country I've driven in, in South America. So it's not like backwater everywhere you go. But no, this is a private country road. So it's not like Mulholland Drive.
I remember when I lived in Serbia, I drove to Montenegro a couple times on a bus. And it's actually a really nice drive. But the problem is it's next to the largest, deepest, I think, canyon in the world other than the Grand Canyon is there. And there's one lane mostly in the tunnels because it's just old Yugoslav infrastructure. And you can see there's guardrails everywhere.
But the guardrails have holes in them where cars and buses have plunged through them and fallen down the canyon. And they just didn't fix it.
At least 25 years ago.
They're guardrails that are only partially operating and are not strong enough to stop a car or a bus, apparently. And you're driving through the tunnel and the bus will stop and turn the brights on and honk, basically to make sure there's no car in the tunnel, because if there is, you're not getting out of the tunnel. Because he has to drive through the middle because the bus is too high.
It's made for like a Yugo to drive through, maybe two Yugos, but not a bus and a Yugo or a car. So I just, this reminds me of that because you look down the side from the second floor of the bus and you're just like, holy smokes, that's far. And you can see things down at the base of the canyon sometimes, like cars and buses that are just there.
And of course the occupants did not make it out of that. There's no possibility that they lived.
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Chapter 8: What lessons can be learned from the experiences shared in this episode?
I guess it just needed a small accident. And he just drove it into a little turnout on the side of the road. And that was that. And now I have to drive carpool for every morning until I leave because my car is the only one we have now.
It was nice of one Korean car to save another Korean car. Yeah. That's poetic.
I know the Hyundai Tucson was like the responsible older brother and Bang Chan was like the out of control younger sibling with a kind of music career who needs to go to rehab.
Yeah, right. I do have a job. Work the record store.
chain smoking outside that's right by the way i have some photos and videos of all of this i'll post it for you guys today so you can see what this looked like it was quite a sight this jackknifed car on this idyllic country road under the splendor of the chilean stars i just could not have staged the scene better myself if i tried i bet but you could have been in that accident dude that you were supposed to be that's why i wanted to tell you this story how weird is that i don't know i mean what you're saying is feedback friday saved your life that's what i'm hearing
Basically. If I didn't need to organize the deuce cruise, I might have been on the snooze cruise. The eternal snooze cruise.
Dark. The eternal snooze cruise. We gotta use that when we talk about dying. Keep things light and fun.
It's kind of nice, actually.
Yeah, it is. I mean, but I think you might have actually worn your seatbelt in Bang Chan.
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