The Psychology of Waifus and Husbandos
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What are waifus and husbandos in popular culture?
We work hard to strike the right amount of intelligence and ignorance. The Last Show with David Cooper. Have you ever had a crush on someone who technically doesn't exist? Like they're animated, pixelated, scripted? Might sound strange and on the fringe to you, but it can happen. And falling for those fictional characters, well, that might say less about people's fantasies and more about how human love actually works. I'm here with someone who studied all of this. His name is Conor Leshner, and he's a psychology researcher at Trent University. Conor, welcome to the show.
Hi, David. Thank you so much for having me. I'm really excited to be here.
How does attraction to fictional characters reflect real-world relationships?
I'm excited to have you. This subculture I tried to set up there in the introduction. Waifus, husbandos. Are we talking about a joke here? Are we talking about a crush? Is it something that looks like a real relationship for someone who is very confused right now? Do you want to give us a high level overview of this subculture before we kind of dig into the psychology of it?
Yeah, absolutely. So many of your listeners are probably somewhat familiar. They've maybe heard of something like anime, cartoons, anything like that. And anime fans, who are people who obviously watch this a lot, some of them will have these characters who they feel like a strong affinity for platonic, romantic love for these characters, and they'll call them either waifus and husbandos. And the way we define this in the research is we call them, if a character exists, you would want to have a relationship.
with them got it okay so let's dig into the psychology of it all you found that attraction to physical excuse me to fictional characters cartoon characters kind of mirrors what might look like real world attraction for people is that comforting to you is it kind of destabilizing on the idea of love that we have like what what exactly do you make of all that
Yeah. So I think it's really fascinating that the way we feel toward fictional characters tends to match the way we feel towards real life people. So men are more attracted to physical traits, women are more attracted to the personality. And that's what we see when it's human to human connection as well. Now, do I feel depressed, upset, anxious, terrified of it? I'm going to say at this moment, no, because a lot of the people who have these relationships, they're not really reporting using them as substituting them for those human-human relationships. In fact, some people who do have these relationships are using them just at the time because they might not have those relationships in real life. And as we know, humans are social animals.
We want to spend time around other people. And if we don't have those people in our immediate life, sometimes it's good to at least have someone, even if they're not real, to spend that time with.
You know, if someone had a crush on a character from like a Harlequin romance novel 20 years ago, it would just, and as long as it wasn't like an unhealthy level, we wouldn't think twice about it. I'm kind of on your boat here. I don't really think twice about this unless it gets to like, I'm not leaving my house because I only want to hang out with my digital companion. Now, this notion that men are more attracted to like the physical look of these cartoon characters and women to kind of their emotional connection. Can you say more about that? That seems oddly similar to what we might hear about human to human relationships.
Yeah, absolutely. So we were interested in this study and understanding kind of whether this is what we would find. I did some research back in the 2020s-ish era, the COVID era, everything blends together, looking at robots and how men are more interested in perhaps more intimate connection with robots, while women are more interested in robots as friends. And so what we wanted to do here is we were interested in understanding, well, if it's a fictional character who only exists on a screen, are these patterns similar? And if so, that says a lot about how we approach these fictional characters as potentially real people, whether now or in the future, especially with AI.
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Chapters
4 chapters
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What are waifus and husbandos in popular culture?
0:05–0:42
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How does attraction to fictional characters reflect real-world relationships?
0:42–4:00
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What psychological patterns emerge in preferences between genders?
4:00–8:00
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How do fictional relationships compare to real-life connections?
8:00–9:19
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