Why are we so obsessed with smutty books and TV shows?
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What is the Little Things podcast’s opening discussion about the rise of erotic books and TV shows?
Hi, I'm Francesca Rudkin. And I'm Louise Erie.
Welcome to our New Zealand
Hero podcast, The Little Things. Good to have you with us. In this podcast, we talk to experts, we find out all the little things you need to know to improve different areas of your life. We cut through all the confusion and the crazy overload of information out there. And today, well, we thought we'd talk about Louise's obsession with heated rivalry.
It's not an obsession. I'm I'm probably one of the least obsessed people. There's a lot more people obsessed with it th than than me. But anyway, I But if but
if you got to the end of this year and you had to write a list of maybe your top five T V shows of the year, it would be in there, right?
It would be if it was like your Spotify playlist. Yeah. Yeah. But because um you know, I've got a little WhatsApp group with my sister and my and my daughter and yeah and and we're just called HR just because I think it's uh just you know, and you might exchange a meme or two. Sometimes, you know, as or a gift for a birthday or whatever. GIF, gif. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, and but you've been enjoying um the Jilly Cooper romp arrivals. Yeah, I
have. And we we're sort of so today we're sort of gonna talk about um the rise in erotic kind of literature and and T V shows which are once again getting a little bit risque. And I loved Rivals because I can remember thinking it was very naughty reading Jilly Cooper when I was little, when I was, you know, quite young. Um and I used to just oh I just used to love it. And it was probably it had everything. But it kind of captured what we see across across across um most of these shows which grab our attention now. You know, you've got sort of a aristocrats or high class society, you've got a bit of camp and then you've got these sort of the sexual sort of naughtiness. It's just escapism. The rivals is I I remember what a great
Era it was for music, not so much for clothes, um, but just it's just fun, really good escapism, isn't it?
Absolutely. So look, there has been a huge increase in demand for erotic fiction and romance novels as well. Whether it's spicy romanticy, outright smart, or whatever I saw referred to as the bonkbuster. The genre is very funny. The genre is in high demand. What is driving our desire for more saucy content? And and while we are seeing a definite increase in its consumption, is this a new thing? How far back does this erotic fiction date?
To talk us through it today, we're joined by author and sex historian Dr. Esme Louise James. Esme has studied the history of erotic fiction extensively. Her PhD focused on the development of erotic and pornographic novels in the 18th century. She is the host of hugely followed and watched online lecture series and podcasts, Kinky History, and has also released a book of the same name. This month, Esme has authored and released her first work of erotic fiction. It's called Becoming Venus. Dr. Esme Louise James, welcome to the podcast. Thank you so much for being with us.
I'm incredibly excited to be here. This is gonna be such a good chat.
I think it is. I was wondering if we could just start with your own interest in erotic literature and sex history. Where has that come from?
Um, absolutely. So my PhD was in the emergence of erotic literature as a genre. So starting back in the 18th century and looking at the original smut novels that came on the scene. Um and prior to that, one of the reasons that I went into this area uh was because we were seeing even in that time of twenty twenty around the pandemic, we were seeing an increase in uh consumption of spicy novels in particular. And it's one of those um Conversations that I think it's really important to put our history aspect back in there. Because we talk about learning from the past in nearly every other aspect of our lives and what we consume and uh understanding how we relate to the world. And I think that's particularly important as well in our conversations about sex, sexuality and gender as well.
So that's really where I kind of came into the conversation.
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Chapters
7 chapters
1
What is the Little Things podcast’s opening discussion about the rise of erotic books and TV shows?
0:01–4:26
2
How does Dr Esme Louise James explain the historical roots of erotic fiction from the 18th‑century novel “Fanny Hill”?
4:26–11:41
3
Why does the episode say shame has surrounded women’s reading choices and how is that shame being challenged today?
11:41–20:46
4
What data does the conversation present about the recent surge in consumption of erotic media during and after COVID‑19?
20:46–27:47
5
How do shows like Heated Rivalry and Bridgerton use escapism and romance to connect with audiences?
27:47–36:40
6
In what ways can reading or listening to erotic fiction improve communication and intimacy with a partner?
36:40–44:55
7
Who is currently reading erotic and romance literature – what demographics and age groups are most engaged?
44:55–48:24