Al Jourgensen | The Magnificent Others with Billy Corgan
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What cash-driven sessions shaped the Chicago music scene?
They'd come into the A room from the B room with literally a bag of cash. I'd have a 38 on the desk. They'd have like a couple guys with 45s. We'd count the money. I'd do a house mix and they'd go on their way. That's amazing. It was like that. That's amazing. And he would do Friday experiments on us. We'd shoot up this like new psychedelic that some university had come up with. Okay, sounds good. I don't think I've ever written a song. I get my songs from the universe. Like, I don't know where they come from. Here we are. Here we are. We're alive. Finally.
How did Al Jourgensen's experience with psychedelics influence his music?
We're alive. We're still alive. Who knew? I mean, seriously, think back to Chicago days. Like, who would have predicted you and me would be sitting here right now?
Still making music.
Yeah.
Still being great.
Yeah.
I think you're still being great and happy. Are you happy? Big time.
You seem really peaceful. I love it out here. I really do. I mean, I love going back to Chicago.
Are you a closet hippie? You're living out in the hippie land?
I'm pretty much a hippie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just old hippie. Just do my stuff. Don't cause problems. Pay my taxes.
Don't cause problems.
You know? You're going to make headlines. Al Jorgensen said he doesn't want to cause problems. Do the occasional anti-Trump album and then, you know, just keep my head low.
It's all good. So recently you've been touring with Gary Newman, Frontline Assembly.
Yeah. Seems like those shows are going really well. That was so, so much fun. I mean, I never knew that Gary and I would get along.
He's just the loveliest guy. So what? He's a total sweetheart.
Well, on top of that, but... Then we found a love for psilocybin together. So the tour went swimmingly.
It's like, well, here's the question. Do the synths sound better on psilocybin?
Yes, absolutely. You hear the phasing? Yes, they do. Yes, they do.
I love that. Hoping for the Masses is the recent album. I was listening to it. Very, very strong song. I'm a huge fan. I think I've told you that in the past, but I just think, you know, somehow you've reinvented yourself 800 times, but you've always been you, which is interesting. I think you're one of the only people that's been able to do that.
I'm kind of like a Walmart Bowie. You know what I mean? I think you're better than that, but I'll let you define yourself. It's like, you know, you reinvent yourself, but obviously don't have the bona fides of Bowie. Sure. But, like, yeah, you just keep doing what floats your boat.
Yeah.
You know?
What led to Al's departure from Arista Records?
Because otherwise it's boring, and otherwise you should get some kind of consultant job or something, you know?
Yeah.
What gives you fire at this point? Because, you know, we've both been through these weird changes in the music business and now we're into streaming land.
Well, the fire for me right now is the finish line. Okay. Because I'm doing it on my own terms, which is nice that you can get out of like a 40-year occupation and get out on your own terms. And to have Paul Barker back in the fold and to do a final record and tie a final bow on the whole thing and then do a final tour and really a final tour, not like... Not the wrestling version. Yeah, Slayer, Motley Crue, everyone comes back the year later.
No, when you say it's the final, I believe you.
I'm done. Yeah. And it's important that it's done because there's really not many more statements to make. I think we've reached the point of what we built as a genre. And that's about, you know, after that, it's superfluous. I think bringing Barker back in for the last one is going to make it like kind of retro, but also really cool that we haven't jammed with each other in 25 years.
Yeah.
But there's something about your music that's always got a futurism built in. So even when I listen to stuff, it's hard to explain. You never feel retro to me. Well, thank you. It's a compliment, but I'm saying is somehow you're able to sort of land ahead. You know, sometimes when you watch an old science fiction movie and they're guessing the future, like you guessed the future right. Like, it's scary how accurate you were in guessing the future.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What cash-driven sessions shaped the Chicago music scene?
0:00–0:47
2
How did Al Jourgensen's experience with psychedelics influence his music?
0:47–2:58
3
What led to Al's departure from Arista Records?
2:58–5:03
4
How did Wax Trax Records impact the industrial music genre?
5:03–10:31
5
What is the significance of Al Jourgensen's collaboration with Paul Barker?
10:31–12:06
6
How does Al Jourgensen define his creative process?
12:06–24:00
7
What are Al Jourgensen's views on politics in music?
24:00–29:01
8
How does Al Jourgensen perceive his legacy in the music industry?
29:01–1:22:56
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