Steven Rinella talks with author Jamie Holmes, Randall Williams, Brody Henderson, Phil Taylor, and Corinne Schneider. Topics discussed: Jamie's new book, The Free and the Dead: The Untold Story of the Black Seminole Chief, the Indigenous Rebel, and America's Forgotten War is out; deep archival research like a treasure hunt; the evidence base and when the notes section of the book is almost as long as the book itself; the complexity of stories about the Seminole Wars; turning what you know on its head; the environment of interior Florida; what enslavement meant to the tribes; who were the black Seminole people?; the relationship between Osceola and Abraham; and more. Feel free to donate to the recovery effort here: https://critfc.org/donate/ Connect with Steve and The MeatEater Podcast Network Steve on Instagram and Twitter MeatEater on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and YouTubeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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