The Tucker Carlson Show: AI Whistleblower: OpenAI Scandal, AI Cults, Neuralink & Our Last Chance to Stop the Tech Oligarchs
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Why could superintelligent AI threaten humanity even without intending harm?
Hey Megan Kelly Show listeners, it's Tucker Carlson. There has been a lot of speculation and panic about what the age of AI means for humanity. Are we creating technology that will become uncontrollable? Experts who are building AI say that that's a real possibility. We recently sat down with someone who understands what is happening. His name is Nate Suarez. He's a computer scientist who worked at Google and the Defense Department. So when he says AI is on a path to killing every human being on Earth, it's worth listening. This is one of the most, maybe the most, important conversations taking place in the world today. If you want to listen to conversations like this about things that actually matter, learn what's happening, what your future may look like, we hope you'll check out our show.
New episodes of the Tucker Carlson Show are released every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. Follow the show right here in your podcast feed so you don't miss a single one. Nate, thank you so much for doing this. Um, you've written the world's darkest book. You've devoted your life to Warning the world's about the potential dangers of AI. So let's just start by hearing your explanation of why AI is dangerous in addition to just being annoying.
Yeah, you know the the the very basic Common sense point is. If You race to make machines that are much smarter than any human. To make machines that are more capable. uh at inventing their own technology than humans are. And You race into this without really knowing what you're doing. The most likely outcome is just that the machines get loose and do their own thing. And that humanity dies as a side effect, just like humanity has, you know, killed lots of other animal species, not because we hate them, but just as a side effect. Uh And In in some sense, a lot of people find it sort of obvious or intuitive that if if you just like make these really smart, really powerful machines. Why would they care about us?
Uh And I think that intuition basically is right and There's a lot of arguments you can have on each side. You can get in the technical details. Uh but my book is basically just um getting into those details and saying like, Yep, it sort of holds up. If we make smarter machines without knowing what we're doing, it's just gonna go poorly.
Are we actually going to going to make machines capable of what you're describing?
You know, the the companies are trying to. They um they talk about how they are pursuing superintelligence in the true sense of the word. That's Sam Altman's phrase. Uh Dario Modi of Anthropics says they're trying to make the equivalent of a country worth of geniuses in a data center. Uh so these guys are really you know, the these aren't chat bot companies. They didn't set out to be chatbot companies. They set out to make these machines that can sort of exceed humans in every way. And that's what they're targeting. There's
a separate question of whether they will get there. Let me ask you a question. Why why would anyone want to build a machine smarter than people?
Um, I think that A lot of them hope that they'll be able to make the world much, much better. You know, they hope for uh a cure to cancer and then more than a cure to cancer, they hope for a cure to aging. They hope for uh You know. A thousand years worth of technological development compressed into two years. Um And I I sort of don't think that they're gonna be able to get that really or or harness that for good ends. But that's what I think they're they're shooting for.
So they're not but I mean, the core point you're making is these companies did not set out to make consumer products, like to make your life better necessarily in the short term with a more efficient search engine.
That's right. Yeah. You know, uh OpenAI started before the the the the chatbots, the large language models were even a thing. Uh they were started forget whether it was late fifteen or or early twenty sixteen, but um The the paper that unlocked the n the most recent wave of AI came out in twenty seventeen, which was after OpenAI was founded.
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Chapters
8 chapters
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Why could superintelligent AI threaten humanity even without intending harm?
0:00–10:48
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Could self-replicating AI consume Earth's resources and evade shutdown?
10:48–23:28
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Can governments coordinate globally to pause the race toward AI superintelligence?
23:28–32:43
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How did Anthropic's powerful cyber AI reveal the risks of uncontrolled AI development?
32:43–1:00:27
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How do AI systems escape training, hide their intentions, and threaten people?
1:00:27–1:12:46
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How could AI cults and human persuasion give AI influence in the real world?
1:12:46–1:35:02
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What gives experts hope that humanity can still manage AI risks?
1:35:02–1:49:42
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Can global agreements and chip monitoring stop the race to superintelligent AI?
1:49:42–1:57:57
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