The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump Makes Greenland Case in Davos, and Explosive New Busfield Details, with RealClearPolitics, Dave Aronberg and Mike Davis | Ep. 1235
21 Jan 2026
Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?
Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east. Hey, everyone. I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. Today on the program, a can't miss legal panel. I mean, we have a lot to go over with the legal panel in our second hour. The judge overseeing Timothy Busfield's alleged child sex abuse case, releasing Busfield from jail pending trial.
We'll do a deep dive on the new evidence that has emerged. about the parents of the children who are making the accusation. And it is not good for the prosecution. The defense lawyers got up there yesterday and said these parents, they're not just like fraudsters, they're actual con men. And I have to tell you, they're right from what I've seen, in my opinion.
That doesn't mean the boys are necessarily lying. You cannot attribute the parents fraud to the two children. But this is a devastating development for the prosecution. These parents, the father is a convicted fraudster. He served time for fraud. He was disbarred. These are bad, bad, bad facts. For the prosecution, none of this was disclosed.
Chapter 2: What are the implications of Trump's speech on Greenland?
And there are other issues that have come up with the case. And we'll take a fair look at it, as we always do with our legal panel. Dave and Mike are here. And boy, do they have their hands full with what's happening in Minnesota as well today. First, though, President Donald Trump once again shows up at the World Economic Forum in Davos to completely mock other world leaders.
It was such a tour de force. It was amazing to watch. He delivered a show as only Donald Trump can. He spared no one, not even the leaders of Switzerland, which is where the conference is. I mean, everyone, he had it for everyone. It was like, boom, boom, boom. And you over there in the back, what are you laughing at? Here's one for you.
The main headline of the speech was the president for the first time explicitly saying that America will not use force to take Greenland. OK, he's saying that for the first time. I won't do it. But he says that in order to defend Greenland, which he says Greenland must have a defense, which he does not believe Denmark can do. The U.S. has to has to actually own it. Watch.
You probably won't get anything unless I decide to use excessive strength and force where we would be, frankly, unstoppable. But I won't do that. OK, now everyone's saying, oh, good. That's probably the biggest statement I made because people thought I would use force. I don't have to use force. I don't want to use force. I won't use force.
All the United States is asking for is a place called Greenland. And all we're asking for is to get Greenland including right title and ownership because you need the ownership to defend it. You can't defend it on a lease. Number one, legally it's not defensible that way, totally. And number two, psychologically, who the hell wants to defend a license agreement?
I mean, good point. And it went on from there. I have so many great soundbites that I want to show you. Trump was in rare form this morning. Tom Bevin, Carl Cannon and Andrew Walworth watched it there with Real Clear Politics and also on the Megyn Kelly channel on Sirius XM Live every morning at 11 a.m. Eastern. Ever been in a bad relationship?
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Chapter 3: How does Trump's stance on tariffs affect international relations?
I really enjoyed it. And I have to say, I think I'm in the minority right now, but not for long. I agree with him on Greenland. He's actually convinced me on that. I'm not so big on the Venezuela thing, and I certainly don't want to invade Iran. But on Greenland, he's gotten me. I can explain why. But your thoughts overall, Tom, to kick it off on where we are and that soundbite in particular.
Yeah, this was something by Trump. And I did not see his press conference yesterday. I was traveling back from Arizona, and so I didn't see that. It didn't get good reviews. Apparently, he just sort of rambled on and on. This one, he stayed on script Pretty much. I mean, he always goes off script to a certain degree. Right. But he did.
He explained the rationale for why it's important for not just the United States, but also Canada, which he took a shot at Mark Carney, the prime minister of Canada as well, but also for Europe. And he also said and I thought this was interesting that, you know, when he was talking about Europe, He said, listen, we want a strong Europe. We want you to be strong so you can defend yourself.
And we want you to be successful. And in order to do that, you have to change these policies that you've had in place for 40 years that have weakened you as countries. Mass immigration and energy being the two specific ones that he mentioned. But on Greenland, he did explain sort of the rationale for it.
Now, whether you agree with it or disagree with it, I think it's clear, though, that Trump sees this as a matter of national security interest for the United States moving forward. And I was going to say urgently, and maybe it's not urgent, but I think to Trump it is.
I mean, he's only got a couple more years left in office, and he sees this as part of, I think, his legacy in terms of defending the United States. And he talked about the Golden Dome and all that. So it definitely was, I think, classic Trump and fairly entertaining stuff from him.
Here's a little bit more of what he said on Greenland on explaining why he wants it.
Would you like me to say a few words of Greenland? I was going to leave it out of the speech, but I thought I think I would have been reviewed very negatively. I have tremendous respect for both the people of Greenland and the people of Denmark. Tremendous respect. But every NATO ally has an obligation to be able to defend their own territory.
And the fact is, no nation or group of nations is in any position to be able to secure Greenland other than the United States. Everyone talks about the minerals. There's no rare earth, no such thing as rare earth. There's rare processing, but there's so much rare earth And just to get to this rare earth, you got to go through hundreds of feet of ice. That's not the reason we need it.
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Chapter 4: What legal ramifications arise from the Minnesota church incident?
One falls into your water, your summer's effed. Your kid's not going into the ocean. It's like broken toxins everywhere. For what? So like you can... The same as like me blowing air in this studio. It's barely any energy. It's a nightmare. Sorry. I've got strong.
I was going to say, how do you really feel about windmills, Megan?
Because I spent my summers at the Jersey Shore and we've been dealing with this for years now. So I've become a bit of an expert on them. And they're really, truly a nightmare for the environment. Like you may think that they may help with global warming. Let me tell you something they don't help with. The environment, the existing earth is completely toxified and polluted by windmills.
And for what? We're the coal captains of the world. We have tons of oil. We have so many wonderful natural resources that we can tap into that is more than like blowing like a little desk fan at the expense of our wildlife and our sea life and our vistas up and down the beautiful east and west coasts of America. Sorry, Tom. That's okay.
You triggered Megan, Tom.
I did.
You know, a couple of decades ago, I remember when it dawned on me when Ted Kennedy was like, all the liberals were like, we got to have wind. We got to have these wind farms. And Ted Kennedy was like, you're not putting this thing off of Martha's Vineyard. And I was like, oh, OK. I wonder why.
So anyway, and look what happened. Look what happened two summers ago. A windmill collapsed. It had some sort of a problem and the blades fell into the water and the people in Nantucket and Martha's Vineyard were affected and couldn't swim. And the kids were like not able to go in the water. It's just like taking a toxic stew, dumping it into your ocean and then putting your three year old in it.
It's a no. I mean, I already lived that swimming in the Hudson River at my grandparents' boatyard in the 1970s. I could have been at NASA, okay? But because of that, I wound up sitting at this desk trying to save the next gen.
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Chapter 5: What are the implications of the FACE Act and Klan Act in this context?
And if you charge both, then you have the effect of basically raising the FACE Act from a misdemeanor to a felony. If you use the Klan Act, you can charge a felony. And there was just case law out of the 11th Circuit, which oversees where you are, down in Florida. This, of course, happened in Minneapolis.
But it's persuasive, and it's not binding out of the 11th Circuit over Minnesota, but it's persuasive, saying that... The violation of rights under the Klan Act can be like you can charge somebody with violation of rights under the Klan Act if they have violated the FACE Act.
So if they have obstructed physically or intimidated anyone attending a religious service, that can be the predicate violation for a violation of the Klan Act, which raises what would otherwise be a misdemeanor to a felony. Potentially up to 10 years in jail.
I mean, no one is really expecting that to be the penalty, but it does make this a lot more serious than a misdemeanor, which could be more of a slap on the wrist. Your thoughts on it.
Megan, good to be back with you and Mike. And thank you, by the way, for your nice words. I heard them on a previous show about me and I'm one of the good, good liberals, although I don't consider myself a liberal sort of centrist, but I appreciate the nice words. Thank you.
It was all heartfelt.
Thank you. Well, I disagree with my friend, Mike. I know it surprised you. But when it comes to the Ku Klux Klan Act, and then we can talk about the FACE Act, but the Ku Klux Klan Act has to face the Supreme Court decision from 1983. It's called Bray v. Alexandra Women's Health Clinic. The issue is you have to show that – They blocked the church because they had animus towards Christians.
And Justice Scalia was the one who wrote for the majority in that opinion. He said that the opposition to abortion, this was an abortion clinic case, opposition to abortion did not equate to animus against women. So the Ku Klux Klan Act did not apply. The protesters targeted women only because they were the ones obtaining abortions. The goal was to stop the activity, not to hurt the class.
So if you apply that here, that the reason why they were there was not because they hated Christians. It was because they went after David Easterwood.
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Chapter 6: What details complicate the case against Timothy Busfield?
He is the pastor of that church who is also an ICE guy. He's like high up somehow in ICE in that area. If Easterwood had been on a golf course, they would have protested there. So I don't think you can show the animus against Christians there. I think that the Ku Klux Klan does not apply. You could have trespass. You could have disorderly conduct. But I don't think there's a federal crime here.
You definitely have trespass. Yeah, and I agree.
You have trespass.
Right.
Dead to rights. But that's a state crime. And we probably aren't going to see a state prosecutor that wants to pursue it. So we have to stay in federal lane if we actually want to get these folks charged. Mike Davis, this is an interesting argument, though, about is there animus by the protesters so-called against the church? I know you've raised this.
Their number one protester, Don Lemon, seems to have served Pam Bondi up a beautiful dessert on a silver platter here with the following comments because he can't keep his stupid mouth shut. He decided to go talk all about his great feet on the Angry Leftist Ladies podcast and said a couple of things about these churchgoers. I'm going to play 31 and 32. Listen.
Jesus turned the tables over in the temple, right? He flipped the tables because he was tired of them not doing what they're supposed to do in his father's house and not living up to the tenets of Christianity. And so, you know,
It is surprising to me, if it is true that this person somehow works for ICE, and also it is true that they're not understanding now of the protesters, is that they're doing the exact opposite of what Christianity is supposed to be about. I think that there is, obviously, there's racism.
And the whole point of it is that they're detaining people on the streets because of accents and the color of their skin. And they're also targeting people of color and Black people as well as brown people. So there is a certain degree of racism there.
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Chapter 7: How do the backgrounds of the alleged victims' parents affect the case?
And there's a certain degree of entitlement. I think people who are... You know, in religious groups like that, it's not the type of Christianity that I practice, but I think that they're entitled and that that entitlement comes from a supremacy, a white supremacy.
And they think that this country was built for them, that it is a Christian country when actually we left England because we wanted religious freedom. It's religious freedom, but only if you're a Christian and only if you're a white male, pretty much. And so, yeah, absolutely 100 percent. But it's an intimidation tactic.
Okay, Mike, thoughts?
Don Lemon is probably the dumbest person on television right now. He just admitted to his criminal intent under the Klan statute when he made it very clear that they were going into that church because they are Christians, A, and B, because they're white Christians. So you have religious bigotry and racial bigotry, which makes this fall squarely. into the Klan statute.
Don Lemon, if I were a betting man, I would put everything on the line that Don Lemon will be indicted under the FACE Act and the Klan statute under felony charges. Now, remember under the FACE Act as well, it is a Class A misdemeanor. up to one year in jail for first-time offenders. But if there is repeat offenders or if there is violence as part of the FACE Act violation, it becomes a felony.
So he could face two felony charges if you are threatening people inside the church like they did. You saw the terrified child.
I don't think any jury is going to be— Does he have to do it, Mike? Does he have to do the threatening charges?
No, it's part of the conspiracy. Everyone who's involved with the conspiracy is responsible for the conspiracy. So I think Don Lemon is is totally screwed here. You know, he's he's the non lawyer, non attorney. Don Lemon is going out there telling people what the law is. He's trying to cover his ass. It's not going to work. Pam Bondi and Harmeet Dhillon are almost certainly going to indict him.
He did something very dumb, Dave, and it was the same thing that Timothy Busfield did. He spoke out about his alleged crime in a way that no lawyer would have wanted him to.
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Chapter 8: What are the challenges in proving the allegations against Busfield?
Timothy Busfield spoke directly to police and made a bunch of admissions that came back in his face yesterday. And Don Lemon, speaking with the angry lady, said, made a bunch of admissions there about targeting these churchgoers for a specific reason, that they they're doing the exact opposite of Christianity, that he believes they target people of color. They're racists.
They're white supremacists. They have a sense of entitlement. That they don't practice Christianity the way I practice Christianity. That's what he actually said on camera. I mean, it went on and on. He like, it's not enough to say he tripled down. He like quintupled down on this messaging, which is not great for his defense lawyer.
Well, I watched the interviews that he had on his channel, and he was showing people on both sides of this debate. I didn't get that he was anti-Christian. He may have said they have a different interpretation of the religion as I do. But Justice Scalia himself said that protesting an activity like ICE enforcement is not the same as hating a class of people.
They were chanting slogans like justice. They were chanting slogans like ICE out. They weren't chanting anti-Christian slogans. So I don't think they can get there on this. In fact, to prove this case beyond a reasonable doubt, the one thing I agree with Mike is that I do think that they'll all be indicted because we saw this earlier.
With the Trump administration, we're going after James Comey and Letitia James, but I think I'll meet the same fate where I'll get dismissed before it ever gets to a jury. One last thing on this.
Just for Don, just to just be clear, are you talking about just for Don or you're saying all the protesters? There's no criminal charges against all the protesters.
I think against Don, it's weaker than the others because he is a journalist. I think the others, I think they'll all be charged. But I don't think you can get the federal crimes here. I think they could be convicted of trespass and disorderly conduct. But those are low-level misdemeanors. You're right. They're state charges, not federal charges.
I don't see them being convicted of either the KKK act. or the FACE Act, which is what we mentioned earlier, which is supposed to protect houses of worship, because also they didn't block people from leaving. They were chanting. They really made people uncomfortable. But the standard is in the Eighth Circuit, which is a conservative circuit, that you've got to block people from leaving.
It's like chaining yourself to an abortion clinic. That's a no-no. Chanting outside of abortion clinic, that's free speech. No, no, no, no.
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