The Mel Robbins Podcast
5 Rules for Difficult Relationships: How to Take Back Your Peace & Power
17 Nov 2025
Chapter 1: What are the signs of dealing with difficult people?
Hey, it's your friend Mel, and welcome to the Mel Robbins Podcast. Today, you and I are going to dig into one of the single most popular sections of the Let Them Theory book. And trust me, you need this, because we're talking about how to handle difficult people so you can keep your peace and finally take your power back. I'm talking about the emotionally immature people in your life.
And have you noticed? Oftentimes, you're related to them. I'm talking about people who are controlling and disrespectful and manipulative and self-centered and, oh my gosh, the passive aggressive ones. And you may be listening or watching right now, And you're on your way to a family gathering. You're going to a wedding, or maybe it's the holidays, or you got dinner at your in-laws.
And you know what you're doing? You're bracing. You're gripping the wheel because you're thinking about what's going to happen.
Oh my God. And then just deep down, don't you just want to fix them? Why can't they be different? Why can't our family get along? Why does this always happen?
Here's the thing that I learned the hard way. You know that instinct that you have to fix everybody else? What if that desire to fix everyone else is what's keeping you stuck? What if that's what's stressing you out? I got to tell you, writing chapter seven of the let them theory, it really forced me to realize I had relationships all wrong. I had family all wrong.
Because here's the thing, if you think love means managing people or changing them, if you think love means knowing what's best for everybody else or trying to control the outcomes or just making sure everybody's happy and everybody gets along, if you think love is doing everything for everybody except the one thing that you need to do, which is just learning how to let people be who they are and who they're not, well, then you probably have relationships all wrong too.
Later in this episode, I'm going to share a really personal story with you. It's about a recent trip that I took with my husband, Chris, that really shifted how I see a lot of things. And if I'm being completely honest, which I like to be with you, I didn't even know I needed it. And it's a reminder you probably need it too. This special segment is brought to you by Celebrity Cruises.
Hey, it's your friend Mel, and welcome to the Mel Robbins Podcast. I am thrilled that you're here today. It's always an honor to be together, to spend this time with you. And if you're a new listener or you're here because somebody shared this episode with you, well, I just want to take a moment and personally welcome you to the Mel Robbins Podcast family.
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Chapter 2: How can you handle emotionally immature behavior effectively?
You have picked a winner of a conversation to spend time listening to right now, because today you and I are talking about something that affects every single one of us. And that's difficult people and how to deal with them without losing your peace or your power. Who am I talking about? Oh, I'm talking about the relatives who dominate every conversation.
The friend who takes that cheap shot and then laughs it off. I was just joking. Don't be so sensitive. Oh, you know, the sibling that knows how to just push your buttons, even though you're older now and you guys are no longer living with your parents. Talking about the people you love. but they also exhaust you. Because here's the truth, and I learned this the hard way.
Most of the drama in your life, especially in your family, it's not really about conflict. It's about closeness. See, people want to feel connected, right? We want to feel close. It's why we get frustrated when there's tension. It's why we get frustrated when we don't feel connected and close, but we don't know how to ask for it.
And we don't know how to like get rid of all the garbage that it's in the way between you guys. So it leaks out sideways, right? You get the control, you get the guilt, you get the side comments, the sarcasm, the silence, the alliances, the eye rolls, the passive aggressive digs. And that's the energy that you're swimming in all the time. That's why you brace around certain people.
Because if you don't understand what's happening underneath all of this kind of behavior, you know what's going to happen? You're just going to keep trying to fix the behavior. You're going to keep trying to fix the dynamic. You're going to keep people pleasing, or maybe you're going to shut down. Maybe you are over explaining yourself because people constantly misinterpret what you're saying.
Maybe you get very emotional and tense and on edge, and you're just not yourself around certain people. And if you keep doing that, you're going to stay stuck in the same frustrating dynamic over and over and over again. And I don't want that for you. So here's what we're going to do. Today, you're going to learn two truths about other people that are extremely important to embrace.
The first one is that you cannot change other people, period. The truth and the fact about life is that other people only change when they're ready to change for themselves. And the more that you try to change someone else, the more they will stay the same. And in fact, it'll create more tension in relationships. And we're going to dig into that.
The second major truth that we're going to dig into is that emotional immaturity is is in everybody. That every adult that you meet is just an eight-year-old in a big body. And it's important to understand that adults throw tantrums.
And when you embrace this truth in your life, and I unpack it in detail because this is one of the most popular sections of the Let Them Theory book itself, it will change the way that you look at other people. Then we're going to jump into the strategies that you're using right now to deal with emotionally immature people and difficult people. It's not working.
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Chapter 3: What is the Let Them Theory and how can it help in relationships?
And so the let them theory is very, very simple. Learn to let people be who they are. Let them have their thoughts. Let them do what they're going to do. Let them have their opinions, their behavior, their expectations, because the more you let other people Be who they are and live their lives the better your life gets. Because now you can take all your time and energy back and focus on you.
That's the let me part. Let me focus on me. Let me focus my time and energy on what matters to me. So again, the more you stop controlling other people and trying to change them, the more control you gain over your own life and happiness. It's a beautiful thing. And you're also going to learn that this theory brings you closer to people.
even the ones who are emotionally immature and can be difficult at times, because it's going to teach you how to see people as they are and accept them as they are, and then take your power back and act accordingly. And we're going to talk about five ways specifically that you can use these four words, let them and let me,
Anytime you're dealing with somebody who's emotionally immature or just very difficult in general. The other reason why I wanted to really do an episode that was focused on family dynamics and challenging dynamics with families is so many of you have written in, and I have a ton of them, right here about what you're bracing for.
And even if you have an amazing family, there are still dynamics in your family that are incredibly stressful, and you just wish that it wasn't this way. And here's some of the things that people said. I feel anxious seeing my family and then my anxiety makes interacting with them even more difficult. I'm anxious with every interaction and I still constantly put them first. Why do I do this?
My parents can't seem to accept me as an adult now. I'm no longer their child, and so I can't stand the power struggle. How do I stop feeling so triggered to react when my sister says things on purpose to get to me? How do you stay calm and sturdy when a relative is getting under your skin?
How do I deal with a boundary that's put in place, and then it's like I get dirty looks, I get the punishing silent treatment? I get passive-aggressive behavior from my spouse's family. They even unfriended me on Facebook. My mother-in-law's not getting her way in terms of hosting the holidays, and it's driving me crazy how immature she's acting.
Everyone tiptoes around the immature person in my family because everyone's worried how they're gonna react. boundaries with my divorced parents. My mom talks badly about my dad. I don't want to hear it. There's a person in my immediate family who is always in crisis, which means there's never any space for me because it's always about her.
People that can't see anyone else's opinion but their own in my family drive me crazy. There is some dynamic in your family that just isn't working, and you're bracing, or you're venting, or you're keeping the peace, or you're putting up with it, and you just wish things could be easier.
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Chapter 4: How can you set boundaries without feeling guilty?
In fact, let me read you something about the let them theory. What happens when you use the let them theory and four words, let them and let me, as the world's best boundaries is is you become more compassionate.
Instead of getting frustrated by everybody in your family, you begin to understand that most people you're related to and everybody on the planet, they simply don't have the tools to handle their emotions or their behavior or their reactions maturely. With the let them theory, you're going to learn how to respond with compassion. you're going to learn how to set some boundaries.
And you're also going to learn how to stop letting other people's emotional immaturity run your life. All it takes is one person to change the way they show up in a family and the entire family system can change for the better. And that person is you. And what we're going to do today is we're going to dig deep into the let them theory to teach you how to change yourself.
And it's going to be so powerful. I promise you it will change every single dynamic with every person in your life for the better. So let's dig into this. Here's the truth I had to learn the hard way. And it's the first one I want you to hear. People only change when they're ready to change for themselves. It's true.
There is nothing you can do to change your grandmother or your mom or your dad or your brother or your sister or the person that you're married to. There is nothing that you can do if there's someone in your life who's always angry. You know, I bet if you really stop and think about it, there's probably somebody in your life or in your family that's always angry.
That no matter what you do, they would rather be griping about something or grousing about something or upset that this isn't happening, complaining about that thing, than just being present with you. And it's a really challenging thing when you wake up and realize, wow, this person's never going to change unless they want to change.
And there's no amount of bending over backwards or tiptoeing around it or trying to make them happy or asking them if they're okay that is going to make them suddenly a calm and happy and peaceful person who's just present and loves to be with you. There's nothing you can do to change another person.
In fact, the more you try to change somebody else, the more they're going to stay exactly who they are. People only change when they are ready to change for themselves, which means the only thing that you can change is your attitude about your relationship with this person. And it's so important to embrace this that I want to give you an example.
And I want you to think about someone in your life that you wish you could be closer to. but something's always wrong. It's almost like this person is like trying to hug a porcupine. Like they're just always like, oh.
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Chapter 5: What strategies can you use to stay calm around difficult family members?
I made a lot of good decisions and probably a lot of bad decisions. But when you're a parent, your job is to protect your kids. Your job is to care for your kids. Your job is to teach your kids. Your job is to keep them safe. Your job is to help them make decisions. And in the process of parenting, what do you do? Oh my gosh, well, you tell your kids exactly what to do.
You dictate when they wake up. You dictate when they go to bed. You dictate what they eat. You tell them when they're wrong. You have consequences and punishment when they don't do what you say. You try to teach them all kind of stuff. You're basically shaping their behavior by, in many ways, controlling it.
And so what happens is as a kid, what's modeled for you is, okay, love means that somebody tells me what to do. Love means that somebody is trying to steer my life. Love means that somebody knows me better than I know me and is trying to force me to be what they want me to be. Love means people get irritated with me and then they yell at me and punish me. And so that parenting is
And the control that we exhibit on our kids gets tangled up with our idea of what it means to love somebody and to care. And here's the problem. Once you're an adult, without even realizing it, guess how you now show that you love people and that you care about them? By trying to change them. Because that's what we learned. We tell other people that we love what to do.
We jump in and fix their problems before they even ask for advice. We believe we know what's best for them. And here's the thing I want you to understand. That's not love. That's parenting. That's not love. That's control. Real love means seeing someone and accepting someone exactly as they are. And it also means seeing someone and accepting someone for exactly who they're not.
And that's why the people you most want to change can often be the hardest to love because you're stuck in this loop of wishing they were different. If only they got in shape. If only they were more motivated. If only they did a better job picking up after themselves. If only they would stop dating these losers. If only she didn't use that tone of voice.
And when you're stuck in that loop, if only, I'll love you when, you're not actually loving somebody, you're judging someone. That's one of the hardest and most freeing truths inside the let them theory. Let them is not about just giving up and throwing your hands up in the air.
Let them is about unlearning that old wiring from being parented and choosing to show up in a relationship as an adult, not as some other adult's parent. but choosing to show up in a relationship, not with this fantasy of who you wish someone would be, but learning how to accept the reality of who someone is right now. Hard to do, but it's liberating when you really embrace this.
That's why this is so empowering, because it forces you to be in the relationship as it is instead of constantly resisting it because you wish it was something else. And I'm going to talk a lot about it in the context of family dynamics.
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Chapter 6: How can understanding emotional immaturity change your perspective?
positive or negative. Their energy is the dominant one. It doesn't matter. They always know how to pull the focus back to themselves, whether it's pouting or it's yelling or it's mood swings. And I was exhausted by this person. And here's the thing. I think it's easy on Instagram and social media, just like, well, cut people out, toxic people. But for most of us,
The challenging people that we have in our life, it's not that we don't want them in our life. We just wish we could get along. And so I was talking with my therapist about this relationship because I was just like, what am I doing wrong? Like, how do I change this dynamic with this person? And more importantly, why are they like this? And Anne said something I will never forget.
It changed my life. And I'm going to read to you from the Let Them Theory book. This is chapter seven, page 111. She said, Mel, most adults are just eight-year-old children inside of big bodies.
The next time you're with this person and you feel yourself getting triggered by something they say or some way that they act, I just want you to imagine the second grade version of them present with you in the room. Because what you're describing is someone who has the emotional maturity of an eight-year-old. And like it or not, that's most adults.
You know, when she said that, I was like, oh, but I want you to just think about that for a second. I'm going to keep on reading to you here on page 111. Why else does your mom pout instead of saying what's wrong? Why does your friend give you the silent treatment? Why does your boyfriend send you passive aggressive texts when you're out with friends?
Why does your sister blow up and then act like nothing happened an hour later? It's because adults at their core are just as emotional as children. The difference is, sometimes they're better at hiding it. But here's the beautiful thing about the let them theory. Instead of getting frustrated, you begin to understand that most people simply don't have the tools to handle their emotions maturely.
See, emotional maturity isn't something you're born with or that happens. It's a skill that takes time, practice, and a desire to learn. My therapist is right. Most people you meet still act like an eight-year-old child when they don't get what they want or when they feel uncomfortable emotions.
The let them theory is going to teach you how to stop reacting and how to stop letting other people's emotional maturity ruin your life. And there's one more thing I want to share with you about emotional immaturity because the connection between childlike and adult behavior is undeniable. And I'm going to walk you through this graphic. This is on page 112.
I really want you to consider how similar adult behavior is to a second grade child. Like when a child gets flooded with emotions and upset about something, what do they typically do? They run away from you. What does an adult do if they get upset with you and they're flooded with emotion? Oh, they avoid you. which is basically running away from you. When they get overwhelmed, what do they do?
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Chapter 7: What are the best ways to redirect conversations during family gatherings?
So when somebody is firing off a ridiculous string of passive-aggressive texts, when an adult thinks the silent treatment is how you deal with conflict in a relationship, when somebody snaps at you, this is the one that I was guilty of all the time, just the tone shift. when they've just promised they're gonna try to stay calm, the reason why is they're in a biological response.
Their nervous system literally comes online before logic and maturity can catch up. This is a second greater response inside an adult body. You have a adult human being, if you're looking at your grandparents or your parents or your siblings or your partner,
who is now overwhelmed by whatever emotion they're feeling, and they've never developed the emotional maturity to process emotions maturely because it's a skill. And here's the kicker. They usually have no idea this is actually happening. Seriously. They have no idea.
The flooding happens because they get suddenly overwhelmed because there's so many people in the house and the groceries are everywhere and the dogs are running around that they just, instead of being able to go, oh, I'm getting a little overwhelmed. I guess I better, I should take a beat. I should step out of the room. I should reach for a glass of water. What do they do instead?
They just automatically snap. They sulk. They roll their eyes. They lash out. They say something sharp. They retreat to their phone for the rest of the night. They sulk in the corner. And this is what's so confusing. If a little kid flopped on the floor of the kitchen and started banging about, like you can handle that. I mean, you can expect it because they're a kid.
You know it's part of the deal, right? But when this happens in a house full of grownups that don't know how to handle their emotions, it's a whole different level of chaos. I want to give you an example that I'm sure you can visualize yourself in because we've all had the experience of hosting, right? And when you host, it's because you actually want to take care of everybody.
you want to feel important. When people come up to your house and they're going to eat the meal you prepared, you really want them to enjoy it, right? And whether you put a little bit of care into it or you put a ton of care into it, I think it's safe to assume that whomever the host is, they just want to feel like everybody appreciates the effort that they put in.
Now that we've talked about the host, let's talk about you and me. As you're going to somebody else's house or you're going to the holidays at your family's or you're going to a wedding, you already driving down, you, me, I'm going to admit to this, you're thinking about how, how is this going to go?
And maybe you're stopping and buying groceries, or maybe you're worried about what the sleeping arrangements are, or maybe that you're worried or you think that you would do the wedding a little bit differently and you think they're cutting corners and they should have done it this way. So as you're heading to there, you already have expectations.
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Chapter 8: How can you reclaim your peace in challenging family dynamics?
That's just human nature to want to feel appreciated. What's the best thing you can do? Go with the flow. Go with the flow. Give yourself a reality check. Don't live in the fantasy and the expectation. Live in the reality. You're not pulling into a five-star resort. You're in somebody's home.
Here is your anchor tool when it comes to anything that's beneath your expectation, anything that you now want to control and do better. This is straight from DBT or dialectical behavioral therapy, which is a research-backed form of psychotherapy that teaches people how to manage big emotions, navigate relationships, and handle stress more effectively, here's what you're going to do.
You have to be clear about your intentions before you walk in the door. Just ask yourself, why am I here? Why am I going to this event that is hosted by a family member? Why am I showing up? If the answer is, well, I'm here because I just want to be with my family. If that's your answer, you have won the lottery because it means you don't need to fix anything. You don't need to control anything.
You don't need to manage the eight-year-olds that show up in the big bodies and start tantruming because you need to be clear about your intention. I'm just here to be with family, which means I'm going to go with the flow. I'm going to be kind. I'm going to be flexible. I'm going to say thank you. That's it. That's it. That's all you need to do.
Okay, this feels like a great moment to hit the pause button because by this point, I am sure there is somebody in your family, maybe there's a couple people in your family that you're like, gosh, I wish they would hear this. Well, share this with them.
It's a great way to say, I've been listening to this, I'm thinking about you, I really want to be closer to you, take a listen to this, and then let's talk about it because I love you and I think this is gonna make you laugh and I also think it's gonna make us closer. In fact, I would send this to my two daughters because we know we push each other's buttons and we also really want to be closer.
And having these tools helps you come from a place where you don't get so reactive and you can talk to each other about it and you can learn to accept each other. The Let Them Theory has made my relationships with the people that I care about so much more meaningful. I know it's going to do that for you and your relationships too. Alrighty, stay with me. We'll be right back. Welcome back.
It's your buddy Mel Robbins. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you for sharing this with people that you care about. I really want you to feel more connected to the people that you love. And that brings me to the next thing I wanted to talk about, which is what we typically do.
What we typically do when mom or dad turns into an eight-year-old and starts sulking and huffing and eye-rolling, or your sister starts...
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