The Mel Robbins Podcast
The Secret to Stopping Anxiety & Fear (That Actually Works)
Mon, 26 May 2025
If you struggle with anxiety, this episode will change your life. In today’s conversation, Mel sits down with Harvard Medical School psychologist and world-renowned anxiety expert Dr. David Rosmarin — and he’s about to flip everything you think you know about anxiety on its head. By the end of this episode, you are going to know exactly what anxiety is, the things you’re doing that are making it worse, and how you can look at it in a whole new way. You’ll also learn exactly how to help somebody who is struggling with it. If you feel trapped by anxiety, or you've been trying to outrun it, what Dr. Rosmarin is about to share will set you free. He’s here to share a simple way to stop spiraling thoughts, find clarity, and finally feel in control. Dr. Rosmarin is one of the world’s leading experts on anxiety and the founder of The Center for Anxiety. He’s an associate professor of psychology at Harvard Medical School and director of the Spirituality and Mental Health Program at McLean Hospital, one of the top psychiatric hospitals in the world. Whether your anxiety is keeping you up at night, holding you back at work, making parenting harder, or bringing life in general to a grinding halt, this episode will give you the tools — and the hope — you’ve been looking for. For more resources, click here for the podcast episode page. If you liked this episode, you’ll love listening to this one next: How to Stop Negative Thoughts & Reset Your Mind for Positive Thinking.Connect with Mel: Get Mel’s #1 bestselling book, The Let Them TheoryWatch the episodes on YouTubeFollow Mel on Instagram The Mel Robbins Podcast InstagramMel's TikTok Sign up for Mel’s personal letter Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes ad-freeDisclaimer
Chapter 1: What is the main topic of this episode?
Hey, it's your friend Mel, and welcome to the Mel Robbins Podcast. So just this morning, literally a couple hours ago, before I walked into the studio, sat down in this chair and am talking to you now, I get this text from one of my close college friends. And it said, Mel, I really need some help. Do you have five minutes?
And she was texting me because she was looking for recommendations on what to do because her daughter's anxiety, it is through the roof. And you know what? I'm not surprised because I'm seeing so many people in my life. I'm seeing so many emails coming into the inbox at melrobbins.com, comments, DMs about this exact same topic.
And the thing that was kind of crazy about today is that she texts me this question about anxiety, looking for resources. Where do I start? How do I help this person I care about? And do you know what you and I are talking about? Literally in a matter of a minute, we are sitting down with one of the world's leading anxiety experts from Harvard University.
He's the founder of the Center for Anxiety. I mean, what are the odds? Don't you just love it when life confirms the very thing you're about to do? It's like a little sign, okay, you're on the right track, just keep going. And as somebody who struggled with anxiety for decades, and who has had kids who have struggled with anxiety, here's what I know.
It can be so scary when it's happening to you or to somebody that you love, but I also want you to know something. You have within you the capacity to face whatever is scaring you. And this conversation needs to happen right now. And I'm so glad that you're here for it because Dr. David Ross-Marin is about to flip everything that you and I know on its head about anxiety.
This is going to be a resource, a place for you to start if you or somebody that you love is struggling with this anxiety. And by the end of this episode, You're going to know exactly what anxiety is and what it isn't. You're going to understand the things that you're probably doing that are making it worse for you or the person that you care about.
You're going to have a whole new way to look at this and a four-step approach that's going to work. And this is exactly what you need to help somebody who's struggling with anxiety. And the good news is, Dr. Ross Marin says, if you feel trapped by anxiety or you've been trying to outrun it or out-drink it or out-sleep it or whatever... What he's about to share with you will set you free.
Hey, it's your friend Mel, and welcome to the Mel Robbins Podcast. I am so thrilled that you're here. I am excited for today's conversation. I love talking and learning about ways that you can understand anxiety and help somebody who is kind of struggling with it right now, and that's what we're going to do.
It is always such an honor to spend time with you and to be together, and I want to take a minute and acknowledge that if you're a new listener, welcome. Welcome to the Mel Robbins Podcast family.
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Chapter 2: How can I help someone with anxiety?
Well, one of the reasons why I'm excited is because I am asked the question over and over and over again. For some reason right now, this is one of the biggest things I've been asked, which is I either have somebody that I love that's struggling with anxiety or I am suddenly very anxious. Where do I even start?
And I feel like this conversation and the honor of being able to sit down with you and learn from you in the way that you are counseling and helping and healing people around the world with your work who are struggling with anxiety, I just feel like this is going to be the biggest gift. And so I would love for you to tell the person listening who has made the time to learn from you today
What could change about their life or the person's life that they're going to share this with if they take everything to heart that you're about to share with us based on all of your experience and they use it in their life? There are two things.
Okay. The most fundamental is to stop judging yourself for feeling anxious, to stop feeling anxious about the fact that you have anxiety in your life. Because everyone does. It's a normal human emotion. In fact, if you don't have anxiety, something's probably wrong. That's number one. And number two, once you accept that it's part of your life, you can use it as an ally instead of an enemy.
That's a pretty tall promise, the ally versus an enemy, because I think anybody who is struggling with anxiety or watching somebody struggle with it, it does seem like an enemy. It sure does. And that's why I was really curious, because the title of your bestselling book is Thriving with Anxiety. Because when I hear thriving with anxiety, it almost presumes that I got to keep it.
And I'm like, but doc... I want to thrive without this stuff. So what is possible when you say you can make it an ally or you can thrive?
I would say it's almost as counterintuitive as let them. What do you mean? Well, I don't want to let them. I want to control them. I want to stop them. these annoying, irritating situations in my life.
Once you accept that you can't, that actually becomes a resource for you to become more resilient, more connected to people who are worth connecting to, worth focusing more on things in your life that you can control. And anxiety is the same way. It's kind of like let them for your internal world.
So meaning that because we don't understand what anxiety actually is and because we're afraid of it, actually, it reminds me of a passage in your book that I want to read to you that I found so interesting. Okay. Anxiety is nothing to fear in and of itself. This is page 35 I'm reading from. My office has serviced over 10,000 patients. Correct. And we have never had a patient die from anxiety.
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Chapter 3: What are the common misconceptions about anxiety?
So what's happening in my body if I'm going into work on a stressful day and I feel anxious? Like, how is that the same as a baby crying?
You're a healthy person. On a stressful day at work, if you're not having a little bit of, your hands aren't a little bit clammy and you're not feeling a little bit jazzed up, you don't recognize that there's a task for you to do. There's something important. You may be disconnected from the meaning of your work. You might be disconnected from the relationship you have with your peers.
That doesn't sound like a good work colleague. Having a little bit of apprehension and anxiety and nervousness walking into those situations shows that you care.
That's a beautiful reframe. And I think for those of us that are feeling it, or we see this present in our children or a partner or a colleague, what is the thing you could say in that moment? Because I think it's those micro moments that we really screw up. Totally. And so what do you do in that moment?
I love your specific example of parents and children. Little Jimmy or Jenny comes home. They feel a little bit anxious. And the parent themselves is a little anxious themselves. And they're freaked out about the fact that their kid is feeling anxious. So what do they do? Try to put out the fire. They try to calm them down. They try to say everything's going to be okay. They give them reassurance.
Say, you don't have to go to school. Don't worry. You don't have to go to that event. We accommodate them. As opposed to... Oh, you're feeling anxious. That sounds interesting. Tell me more. With no judgment, just explore it and actually create a more deep connection between parent and child. Ask questions. What is little Jimmy or Jenny afraid of and why? Is it embarrassment?
Are they afraid of messing up and being overly responsible? Are they afraid of the physical sensations? Do they feel like a failure? Are they afraid of losing friends? ask them lots of questions. And without trying to change it, don't try to change how they're thinking, how they're feeling, their behavior in any way. Just be there with them while they feel anxious.
They just want you to connect with them. Turn into a point of connection as opposed to a moment of education. We are missing this fundamental perspective on anxiety and it's having disastrous consequences for those micro moments. We judge others, we judge ourselves for feeling anxious and we go down the tubes in a hot second because of it.
So even just stopping yourself from joining in and that's terrible and you got to calm down and I'm going to call the school and you don't need to do this.
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