667: Why this doctor stopped fearing sugar, ice cream, & alcohol | Keshav Grover, D.O, M.S.

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What is the “Wellness Bridge” and how does it connect conventional and functional medicine?

Jason Wachob 0:03
What if you don't need to choose between conventional and holistic medicine, but rather know how to apply the principles of both? Keshav Grover is an integrative medicine doctor and the author of the new book Wellness Bridge, named after the uncle who introduced his family to yoga decades before it went mainstream. Meanwhile, his dad, an emergency medicine pediatrician of 50 years, stayed firmly in the conventional medicine camp. Grover grew up with the tension between Between these two men's beliefs, and it shaped how he practices today. In the show, we get into what's overhyped in the wellness world right now versus what holds up, including a clear-eyed breakdown of peptides like BPC 157 and the wolverine stack.
Jason Wachob 0:42
Grover also walks me through his baseline testing philosophy, how his thinking on food sensitivity has evolved, and the surprisingly direct link he sees between glyphosate and cancer. We also chat about his once described wellness police uh persona of his household and how it's loosened up on alcohol, sugar, and the occasional scoop of ice cream with his kids. Let's get to it. So you call the book a bridge between conventional, holistic, and functional medicine. So could you walk us through that framework? What do you take? What do you discard? from these different modalities and and how do you integrate that into the medicine you practice every day?
Keshav Grover 1:29
So great question, Jason. And and again, thank you for having me on. And The book Wellness Bridge comes from my the name from my uncle Bridge. His name was B R I J and he was our family's bridge to yoga, meditation, cold pressed juices, greens powders. And this was back in the eighties and nineties. And I even remember him handing us like, you know, uh raw almonds and and and nuts and things like that the back of the car dur during drop off. When we were young. And he was our family's bridge to living your daily life in a very holistic manner that has become invoked today with things like warm water in the morning, um, getting sunlight in the morning, uh, and a lot of these concepts that Our kind of become hashtags in today's society.
Keshav Grover 2:22
And um and and even at some points, uh my father being a conventional medicine physician and he practiced emergency uh pediatrics for about fifty years here in the inner city of Detroit. He also has an ambulatory pediatric clinic um in the suburbs here in Detroit. Um and so he and my uncle would get into these contentious debates about, oh, is this double blind placebo controlled? And it would be interesting because over time my dad's um acceptance of what he was, my uncle was talking about increased over time as we saw that even more Research studies were being done on holistic therapies and being incorporated into even the hospital setting. Even if you look at even wound care, a lot of the bandages used have muduka honey in them, for example.
Keshav Grover 3:12
And that's something that we have adapted from Hyurvedic and holistic uh traditions around the world, really. And so that's that's one point. And then the other point is. is is that the bridge concept is is that in the past there used to be this concept that either somebody pursued conventional therapy, whether it was a pill, a surgery, a procedure Or they pursued Just sprinkling turmeric on everything and doing these juice fasts, or even like you know, Steve Jobs was quoted as doing these intense um fruit only kind of consumption diets to ward off the cancer that he was dealing with. And now in today's day and age, I don't think it's either or. I think it's figuring out what is best for you. And I think that and then that's kind of
Keshav Grover 4:02
Maybe what I even I say on the diet front with our patients is that I don't wave a flag for our patients. I need to figure out what works out for you best. If dairy is something that suits your body, we can talk about incorporating high-quality dairy into your diet. Um, if plant-based or plant-only vegan is something that you want to pursue, we can find those options that have that work for you. But for the most part, for busy individuals, like let's say

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