This is part 2 of my conversation with Tonde Katiyo. We talked about RIC (Risk, Intensity, Complexity) as a tool for communicating about difficulty, about the appropriate responses to different types of bouldering challenges, about the value and importance of route setting in a growing industry, about The Lab, and keeping training in perspective. Support on Patreon: patreon.com/thenuggetclimbing Show Notes: http://thenuggetclimbing.com/episodes/tonde-katiyo-part-2 Nuggets: 2:18 – RIC (Risk, Intensity, Complexity) as a tool for communicating about difficulty, and athletic empathy 10:39 – More about RIC and the appropriate response/attitude for each 20:22 – “We need to do better for setters” 29:26 – Drawing comparisons between setting and the restaurant industry, and indoor climbing as a soon-to-be billion-dollar industry 37:56 – The Lab 48:40 – Gratitude for the partners who support us 51:07 – Excited about climbing 54:31 – Recent favorite music 57:44 – Climbing projects 1:04:43 – Tonde’s request, and keeping training in perspective

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