Ep. 395: C.S. Lewis Argues for Christianity (Part Two)
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This is the Partially Examined Life, episode 395, part two. We've been discussing C.S. Lewis's Mere Christianity. Did you know that his name is Clive Staples Lewis? Had you heard that before? Never once.
Is it at the end of the book? It's in the About the Author, yes. Yeah, in the About the Author. That's the first place I'd... I mean, I think I'd seen it before, but I'd forgotten. So yeah, Staples.
I don't know which of those names I find more alarming. What a middle name. Hey,
Clive. Staples. I mean, it's so, I think CS is a big improvement.
Yeah, we now know why it's CS. So we're going to get to the ethics here before too long. That's chapter three. And chapter four is sort of a, it's the theory of personality, the theory of the self and the telos behind the ethics, right? But I think we still have a little more of book two to go, you know, what Christians believe. So how do we get all the way snared in so that we care about what Christian ethics has to say about communism and chastity and things like that? Yes. Was there any more from book two here that we quote you on to read?
Well, I wanted to say a little bit more about the invasion or no, no, the shocking alternative. Yeah. Chapter three. It's more about chapter four for me. But so there's a bit of theodicy in chapter three, very typical theodicy about why there's evil in the world. And it's necessary because we have free will and otherwise would be automaton. There'd be no basis for love and joy and all the good things.
Yeah, a weird approach to that. The problem of evil, you might be driven to some sort of nihilism by the fact that it seems if you just observe the world, it does not tend toward goodness and things working out. It tends toward decay. There's so much suffering. But the fact that you are asking that question, means that there is this, again, non-natural, not empirically detectable, but right there within you, sense of right and wrong. So however bad the world is doesn't even matter to this supernatural sense that you have that it can be
judged at all. I think the most interesting part of this for me, this chapter, Mark, you had mentioned God's response to this misery is conscience and good dreams, which is the pagan myths of the dying and rising God. I think that's the part you mentioned, Mark. Chosen people. And then finally, that Jesus, as someone who's not just a great moral teacher, that's just kind of lame. But really, the significant thing is that he claims that he can forgive our sins, right? Forgive all sins. Right. So even if someone has wronged me, which makes you think, is this guy a lunatic? And what is he talking about? You wronged me. You owe me. I want my pound of flesh. Who is this Jesus saying that you're forgiven? No, you owe me.
So anyway, so it is is weird. And he'll get into the significance of that in the next episode. chapter, but I thought the interesting part here was this idea of that the root of human misery is trying to find happiness apart from God. So we already talked a little bit about the misery of the internal tension of moral commandments that we can't ever really fully fulfill. But this to me is the more significant part. So this is on page 49. where he says, how did the... So I think this is the thing we really all want an explanation of. Why would God let Satan into the world, right? All right, page 49. How did the dark power go wrong? Because he used to be an angel. Here, no doubt, we ask a question to which human beings cannot give an answer with any certainty.
A reasonable and traditional guess based on our own experiences of going wrong can, however, be offered. The moment you have a self at all, there is a possibility of putting yourself first, wanting to be the center, wanting to be God, in fact. That was the sin of Satan, and that was the sin he taught the human race. Some people think the fall of man had something to do with sex, but that is a mistake. The story in the book of Genesis rather suggests that some corruption in our sexual nature followed the fall and was its result, not its cause.
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