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The Pat Kenny Show

Champions Cup Final: Can Leinster get over the line?

23 May 2026

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Chapter 1: What are the key storylines leading up to the Champions Cup Final?

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The Pat Kenny Show. With Timber Living Log Cabins. Saturday and Sunday from 10am on Newstalk. Conversation that counts.

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11.503 - 18.351 Pat Kenny

Weather's going to be warm, the sun is going to be shining, but many people, the only sunlight that they will get is from their televisions.

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18.591 - 19.713 John Duggan

And their radios, Pat.

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19.793 - 23.237 Pat Kenny

And their radios, of course. Well, they can be in the sun and listen to the radio.

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23.369 - 33.31 John Duggan

Well, there's the garden option. If you're doing a bit of work in the DIY, if you're in the kitchen, if you're in your car, you know what to do. Off the Ball Saturday and Off the Ball Sunday on Newstalk, one o'clock every day.

33.691 - 35.595 Pat Kenny

Now, it is a fantastic weekend as well.

35.655 - 55.074 John Duggan

Look, Leinster Bordeaux starts at really 2.45. We've got commentary here on Off the Ball on Newstalk, Patton. Four wins in a row in Champions Cup finals, then four defeats in a row. So there's a lot of psychological hurt that Leinster are carrying. Three defeats in finals, narrow defeats between 2022 and 2024. Haven't played, to be honest, that well this season, but they're in a final.

55.134 - 56.136 John Duggan

In a final, anything can happen.

56.156 - 66.033 Pat Kenny

They played a defending champions, Bordeaux. What do you make of the selection? I mean, the question over James Lowe, who's a man on any day of the week you'd love to have on the bench at least.

Chapter 2: How has Leinster performed in past Champions Cup finals?

130.943 - 148.062 John Duggan

In a way, look, they're underdogs. Bordeaux, if any, champions, they've kind of coasted through the competition. The conditions will probably suit them better than Leinster. But just win is my kind of thinking. There's been so much pain and losing, you don't want it to become a habit. And for those Leinster players, they've had a lot of pain.

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148.042 - 150.689 Pat Kenny

Ulster wanted to just win last night, but it didn't go well.

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150.709 - 163.485 John Duggan

Well, you see, they're not even in the Champions Cup next year now. They conceded nine tries against Montpellier, and it was a comprehensive beating in Bilbao. But over 53,000 people there today for Leinster, and it'll be some game.

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163.465 - 169.478 Pat Kenny

The Premier League ends with a bit of a whimper at the top, but a lot of trepidation at the bottom.

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169.518 - 179.939 John Duggan

It's more about the narratives. It's more about the fact that Arsenal have won a title after 22 years and what that means. And they've got a Champions League final next week to look forward to. And also Pep Guardiola leaving Manchester City after 10 years.

Chapter 3: What is the significance of player selection for Leinster in the final?

180.28 - 196.988 John Duggan

Mo Salah leaving Liverpool. It's more other stories. Yeah. That are relevant. And down the bottom, there is still something to play for. We've got the Tottenham Everton game here on Newstalk tomorrow. Tottenham, if they don't lose, they're fine. But if they do lose and West Ham beat Leeds, Spurs are going down.

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197.509 - 203.298 John Duggan

So as a Tottenham fan, seeing Arsenal win the league, seeing Arsenal in the Champions League final, apathy.

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203.439 - 203.819 Pat Kenny

It hurts.

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204.1 - 208.086 John Duggan

Apathy is just such a massive part of my life now when it comes to my sports. Follow them.

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208.218 - 218.464 Pat Kenny

Mind you, the Arsenal's win, which they were gifted at the end of the day by Man City not doing the business. But the scenes in London were fantastic.

218.484 - 237.44 John Duggan

They were. When the players are going around the stadium at 5am in the morning, that's what it's about. I mean, it's 22 years. Many Arsenal fans would not remember that. And it is a long time. And they do deserve it. They've been second three years in a row. But I've been reading kind of a lot of in-depth articles. You always get these things when teams win big tournaments. What was the reason?

237.781 - 248.299 John Duggan

What was the magic about Marteta? But a huge amount of planning. The Cronkies, the American owners, got behind the project in terms of financial support. And they're doing everything that Tottenham are not doing.

248.279 - 256.718 Pat Kenny

Do you expect them to play with great flair and beat Palace comfortably because they're now unshackled? You know, the stress of will we win or will we not?

256.738 - 266.982 John Duggan

I expect them, they could lose 5-0. The most important thing for them is to have players fit for next week in Budapest against Paris Saint-Germain. They've never won a European Cup. All right.

Chapter 4: What strategies should Leinster employ against Bordeaux?

284.502 - 284.782 Pat Kenny

Yeah.

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284.802 - 302.731 John Duggan

I mean, I'm happy. It looks like he isn't obsessive. Like the last time he quit Bayern Munich, he took a year and went to New York. So what's he going to do now? I mean, 10 years is enough at that pressure in that crazy world that football is. Probably could have won maybe more Champions Leagues, but 20 trophies, if you include the charity shields, is pretty impressive.

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302.751 - 306.197 Pat Kenny

Now, if we're looking for excitement, there's a lot of excitement potentially in the hurling.

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306.177 - 319.172 John Duggan

Ah, yes. Look, Kilkenny, 30 years ago was the last time they didn't feature in the All-Ireland Series. And if they lose to Dublin tomorrow at Parnell Park, and if Offaly beat Kildare, Kilkenny are out. Kilkenny have to win. So Leinster actually has more on it than Munster.

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Chapter 5: How do weather conditions impact the Champions Cup Final?

319.773 - 332.087 John Duggan

We know from Munster that Limerick and Cork and Clare are all going through to the All-Ireland Series, but which two teams will be in the final? Kerry Donegal this afternoon, the new All-Ireland Series. The province has been parked now. You have this new All-Ireland series which begins today.

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332.428 - 346.923 John Duggan

The format looks complicated, but just to simplify it, you win two games, you're through to the quarterfinals. You lose two games, you're out. There's no third chance. Kerry Donegal. So either Kerry Donegal can afford to lose today, but he can't afford to lose a second time. It'll come thick and fast. It'll come thick and fast.

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346.943 - 352.128 Pat Kenny

Okay, and with the new rules in football and this format, it makes for quite an exciting summer.

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352.148 - 371.788 John Duggan

Westmeath, Roscommon, Armagh, all winning provincial titles after big gaps. And you can just see the... The joy and what it brings to ordinary people and the belonging that people have in communities around the championship. That is the magic of the championship that sometimes separates it from other sports. But try telling that to a Leinster fan today, Matt.

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So you have a long day's work ahead of you.

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We've a great day's work out. Like, I mean, let the ball do the work, as I say. We've got Jim Gavin in the studio on the football and then we have Leinster and Bordeaux commentary from Bilbao, live from Bilbao with Andy Dunne and Kuna Flaherty.

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We've got a couple of reporters there, Susanna Mullen and Dara Smith-Nocton who'll be getting all the fans and all the colour of the occasion and obviously the post-match as well. We'll have the trophy presentation. And then tomorrow, you're just literally flicking the switch. And then it's 10 Premier League games kicking off at four. It's the final day of the season.

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It's all the team of the season, the player of the season. Like even England, you could talk about at the moment.

406.168 - 407.469 Pat Kenny

Oh, Thomas Tuchel.

Chapter 6: What psychological factors are affecting Leinster's performance?

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424.285 - 430.72 Pat Kenny

If not saint, Thomas Duke. John Duggan from Off The Ball. Looking forward to this afternoon's transmissions.

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Thank you very much.

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