495. Terror in Minnesota: The Putinisation of America (Question Time)
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Welcome to the Restless Politics Question Time with me, Alistair Campbell. And with me, Rory Stewart. We're going to talk about the killings of protesters by ICE in Minnesota. We're going to talk about the Tory party. Can they get back to the center? Should they get back to the center now that Svala Bravman's left? And also a little look at oratory. And in the second half, we're doing something a bit different. We've taken you up on your suggestion, Roy, last week that I talk to the people who are trying to get governments to act against online child sex abuse.
Let's start with Minnesota. This is something that has been dominating the US media for a very, very long time now. One of the things I notice... looking at the US media, is while we are all very, very focused on issues like Greenland or insults to British troops, their focus is very much on what's happening to democracy inside the United States of America.
Well, listen, let's just have a question. Madelon, do you think that MAGA-era immigration enforcement is trying to force Americans in the world to distrust their own eyes and ears by portraying Alex Preti as a domestic terrorist, despite video evidence and witness accounts that contradict the administration's narrative? Could this deliberately vague label be expanded to target political opponents next? I think Stephen Miller, the Goebbels figure in the Trump administration, was the first to coin that. But actually, J.D. Vance was straight out of the traps again. Kristi Noem, the Homeland Security. person in charge of that. Trump seems to be backtracking a little bit, saying that he had a very good phone call with Governor Tim Walz, who he spends most of his time abusing.
But look, the question, Madeleine's question is the one that's right. This is a reference to George Orwell, you know, don't believe your own eyes. I think my own eyes watch that killing pretty closely. And as with the previous killing in Minnesota, it looked to me like a murder. I don't really see the guys being under threat.
Yeah. Well, I mean, let's try to take a step back for a second. So I think no doubt at all. It looks from the footage clear as though Preti has been pushed onto the ground. An officer from ICE... I don't know why I'm using the word officers, being overly polite and deferential towards these thugs, but removes his holstered weapon. We can get onto that in a little bit. And then he's shot. He's basically executed when he's defenseless on the ground. So maybe there are different directions we can go in. And the amazing thing about the US media is that they've covered every angle from every angle. So I'm sometimes struggling to work out what we can really add as Brits or Europeans to this conversation. But one thing, of course, is the social media environment.
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