571. Rory and Alastair Challenge Ed Miliband on Israel-Palestine

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Why did Ed Miliband announce the first UK sanctions on Israeli settlers?

Rory Stewart 0:01
Last week, for the first time, the UK Foreign Secretary has announced sanctions against Israeli settlers, and that new Foreign Secretary, Ed Miliband, has come out with one of the clearest, boldest statements about the illegality of the occupation. He's a new Foreign Secretary, barely seven weeks into the role, and we have him here with us today. We've received a thousand questions from listeners coming in for our new Foreign Secretary. We're very lucky to have him with us on the show. We're going to be asked. Asking, how did he arrive at this position? What does it mean? Will he go further? And above all, we're gonna step back and we're gonna ask, how much difference really can Britain make to the world?
Rory Stewart 0:35
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Alastair Campbell 3:15
Well over a thousand questions from our listeners, and a lot of them were I'd say expressing support. for the measures that you announced in Parliament recently, but maybe wanting you to go Further, David, shouldn't the British government sanction the Israeli government that gives political and military support to the settlers and not just the settlers themselves? Why make the distinction when it is one system of occupation which the UK now acknowledges is illegal?
Ed Miliband 3:37
Can I come to the question just sort of do a a slightly uh bigger picture? Because I think it's important to contextualise this. What are we trying to do? We are trying to uphold the long-standing vision of successive British governments for a two-state solution. And we see the two-state solution, as your listeners will know, being destroyed by the facts on the ground. I think over well, you know, when I became Foreign Secretary when I talked to Andy about this, we both agreed that mouthing platitudes about the two-state solution while seeing it destroyed was just

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