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The Space Show Advisory Board discusses NASA budget and mission cuts plus policy via Zoom on Sunday, July 27, 2025.The Space Show Advisory Board meeting centered on NASA’s proposed budget cuts and the ongoing appropriations process in Congress. Bill Gowan outlined the current situation: while the President’s budget proposes a 24% overall cut to NASA—including a 47% reduction to the Science Mission Directorate—Congress appears inclined to preserve NASA’s funding. The Senate has approved a $24.9 billion budget, including $7.3 billion for the Science Mission Directorate. However, the House has yet to finalize its version, and the fiscal year may begin under a continuing resolution.We began with a discussion of NASA’s budget, with Bill noting that congressional recess prevents staff from working on reconciling the House and Senate versions until both are finalized. David emphasized the importance of keeping political commentary separate from the show. A broader fiscal concern was then raised: federal spending exceeds revenue by 37%, and national debt has reached 121% of GDP. This led to debate over whether NASA’s budget should be cut, with Bob Zimmerman arguing for greater efficiency rather than larger budgets. Others suggested targeting cuts to specific programs, such as Artemis 4 and 5.Dr. AJ Kothari discussed his upcoming meeting with Republican leader Caroline Levitt to oppose the Trump administration’s proposed Mars landing timeline for 2028, citing the risk of mission failure and reputational damage. He also mentioned attempts to schedule a meeting with a Space and Science Committee staffer to discuss budget allocation and the feasibility of a lunar research station by 2028. AJ invited others—particularly those near Washington, D.C.—to join either in person or via video conference. David reiterated the need to keep TSS nonpartisan in its discussions.Concerns were raised about NASA’s transitional plans for SLS and human spaceflight, particularly the possibility of scientific programs being defunded while legacy systems remain supported. The potential impact of China’s lunar missions on America’s space leadership was also mentioned. Some noted a disconnect between the industry's optimistic tone at conferences and the more critical assessments voiced by Advisory Board participants. David highlighted this contrast by sharing insights from his recent attendance at the AIAA ASCEND conference in Las Vegas. I commented that our views seemed to represent minority positions in contrast to powerful aerospace and defense lobbying efforts. I encourage listeners to hear my full remarks for full context.The discussion turned to the evolving space landscape, especially how SpaceX’s Starship and Starlink revenues might soon surpass NASA’s budget, potentially reshaping space policy. Some expressed concern about overreliance on commercial providers and advocated for a balanced public-private model. Participants also reflected on past policy shifts, including regulatory changes under the Trump administration and the recent appointment of Sean Duffy as NASA Administrator, which many saw as a signal of support for increased private sector engagement. Several expressed concern that Jared Isaacman should be included in NASA planning and policy discussions.The group discussed potential budget cuts, identifying programs such as the Exploration Upper Stage, Artemis 2 and 3, Mars Sample Return, and Gateway as areas where cuts could yield approximately $6 billion in savings. The SLS program came under scrutiny for its high costs, with suggestions that commercial alternatives may be more viable. Lurio stressed the value of strong public-private partnerships and emphasized a sustainable approach to lunar exploration over competition with China. John Hunt noted that even eliminating NASA's entire budget would have minimal impact on the national deficit.Midway through the program, Dr. Doug Plata proposed an informal vote on the future of several major space programs, including SLS, Orion, and Mars Sample Return. Participants voted via a show of hands, and Doug posted the results on our Space Show blog for the July 27, 2025 program. Please visit www.thespaceshow.com or our Substack page at doctorspace.substack.com to view the poll and share your feedback, which is important in shaping future Advisory Board programs.As the program neared its conclusion, participants voiced strong support for AI integration in the space sector, particularly for its value in advocacy and policy influence. The conversation returned briefly to the ASCEND conference, with Dr. Sherry Bell commending the sincerity of those advocating for missions—even ones not aligned with current news or advisory board opinions.In the final minutes, we returned to the issue of NASA’s budget and its alignment with the President’s proposed 24% cut. I brought up the National Space Council (NSC), prompting brief discussion. Most participants were skeptical of the NSC’s current effectiveness and questioned the Vice President’s engagement with space issues. Several advocated for grassroots lobbying to make our views heard by the administration. We closed by exploring how to advocate for strategic budget cuts while preserving essential NASA programs. Before ending, I reminded everyone of upcoming programs and that The Space Show is listener- and guest-supported. 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