James Martin, S.J., speaks with Andrew Sullivan, the renowned political commentator and Catholic writer, about faith, identity and spiritual transformation in this deeply personal episode of “The Spiritual Life” podcast. Having struggled through the AIDS crisis of the 80s and 90s, Andrew opens up about the initial fear of gay people in the Catholic Church and the remarkable shift that he believes has taken place over the past few decades. Chapters 00:00 Who is Andrew Sullivan? 4:20 Homosexuality and the Catholic Church 11:14 State of the LGBTQ movement 15:35 How Pope Francis dispelled fear 21:38 God in the midst of agony 31:31 Andrew's turbulent Catholic life 41:04 Staying rooted spiritually 44:55 Reconciling personal experience in the church Links: Fr. Martin's spiritual advice column on this conversation: https://www.americamagazine.org/podcasts/2026/04/27/james-martin-andrew-sullivan-spiritual-life “The Weekly Dish”: https://andrewsullivan.substack.com/ Virtually Normal: An Argument About Homosexuality: https://www.amazon.ca/Virtually-Normal-Argument-about-Homosexuality/dp/0679746145 Interview: Andrew Sullivan on being openly gay and Catholic by Thomas H. Stahel: https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2022/11/10/vantage-point-america-andrew-sullivan-244119 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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