This week Kayla and Marjorie dig into the new addition to Diddy’s team, the tinned fish affair and catch up with legal commentator, trial lawyer and host of Crime Stories, Nancy Grace. The Trial of Diddy is hosted by DailyMail.com’s West Coast News Editor Marjorie Hernandez and Manhattan-based Kayla Brantley, reporter-at-large and TV correspondent at Daily Mail. Our Listener Survey is here: https://ex-plorsurvey.com/survey/selfserve/550/g517/250305?list=6 Follow us on instagram @thetrialpod Email us your questions [email protected] Whatsapp us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) Presenters: Marjorie Hernandez and Kayla Brantley Editor: Sam Morris Producer Rob Fitzpatrick Production Manager: Vittoria Cecchini Executive Producer: Jamie East A Daily Mail production. Seriously Popular. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Chapter 1: What are the allegations against Diddy?
The following episode explores a number of allegations regarding the artist Diddy. He denies all charges and has pled not guilty to sex trafficking, racketeering and transportation to engage in prostitution.
The biggest secret in the entertainment industry that really wasn't a secret at all has finally been revealed to the world.
At the height of his career, Sean Diddy Combs had it all. It seemed like everything Diddy touched turned to gold. Now the once untouchable hip-hop mogul is fighting for his life as he faces multiple federal charges in New York, including sex trafficking and allegedly running a criminal enterprise.
Music mogul and rapper Sean Diddy Combs has faced four different lawsuits in recent weeks alleging sexual assault. I'm DailyMail.com journalist Marjorie Hernandez. And over the last six months, I've been investigating this incredible story and speaking to the people in the eye of the storm.
Welcome to the Trial of Diddy.
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Hey, I'm Kayla Brantley, reporter at large for Daily Mail in Manhattan.
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Chapter 2: Who is Brian Steele and why is he joining Diddy's team?
And I'm Marjorie Hernandez, DailyMail.com's West Coast news editor.
And welcome to episode 32 of The Trial of Diddy. It was a quiet week, maybe, Marjorie, no? I mean, I feel like there are no quiet weeks, but after eight months doing this podcast, doing this show, and of Diddy being behind bars, you know, I think we could all use a quiet week.
We certainly could, Kayla. But for this week, Diddy's legal team actually added a new member, Atlanta-based attorney Brian Steele, who has previously represented Young Thug. Steele submitted paperwork with the United States District Court in the Southern District of New York on Tuesday, indicating his intent to appear as counsel for Diddy when the trial properly kicks off in just 26 days.
He's actually a very interesting attorney. Brian Steele is a seasoned criminal defense attorney, but he's, again, based in Atlanta, Georgia, which is why he actually filed a request to be able to practice in New York to join Diddy's team.
And as we mentioned earlier, he's best known for representing Young Thug in his own racketeering case, which actually was the longest in Georgia's history, I believe. What's interesting, again, about him, he's really known as being very aggressive and tough in court, and he really stands his ground. At least that's what a lot of the other attorneys who I spoke to have said.
He was even actually held in contempt in court during that trial because he refused to disclose how he learned about a private meeting between a judge, prosecutors, and a key witness in that case. So that actually was later reverted, that contempt ruling. against Steele, which was ruled by the Georgia Supreme Court. And so he was able to go on with the case.
But TMZ actually also reported that Diddy's legal team was looking to add a black attorney after Anthony Rico left the case. So it was kind of a surprise that Brian Steele's name came up.
Yeah. And Diddy, he actually did appear in court on Monday to enter his plea of not guilty to an additional charge of sex trafficking. and another charge of transportation to engage in prostitution before U.S. District Judge Aaron Sabermanian in Manhattan.
And it's important to reiterate, as we do every week, and we make our lawyers very happy here at Daily Mail, that Diddy has always denied each and every allegation made in all recent lawsuits filed against him, and he has also denied all the federal charges that have been filed against him. Like everyone else in the legal system, he remains innocent until such time as he's been proven guilty.
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Chapter 3: What happened in court regarding Diddy's plea?
200,000?
Want to take a guess?
I chose journalism as a major specifically, so I didn't have to do math. So no, I would not want to take a guess.
So using my calculator came up with 36 and that means 18 emails a day each every single day for 15 years.
Wow.
That's incredible. So that's something to ponder there. So anyway, Assistant U.S. Attorney Chrissy Slavik said prosecutors opposed any delay and went on to accuse Combs's lawyers of using, quote, gamesmanship to delay the trial. Judge Subramanian, a man with a good turn of phrase, told the defense, saying, quote, we are on a freight train speeding towards trial.
If you want an adjournment, you need to make that application within the next 48 hours.
And as we understand it, both sides will be back in court for another hearing on Friday, April 18th, which is when everyone will be listening to this episode when it comes out. Although we are recording this on Wednesday, two days before that. But Marjorie, I'm not sure if you saw this story. It was actually the New York Times that Diddy has been...
trading canned mackerel mackerel one dollar canned tinned fish from the commissary yeah which i thought was an interesting uh a line there it is one way inmates make their living or stay alive there is they trade and barter goods that they get from commissary Exactly. From going to like eating caviar and filet mignon to now trading mackerel.
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Chapter 4: What is the significance of the 200,000 emails mentioned?
Yeah.
But with all that being said, earlier this week, I caught up with legal commentator, trial lawyer and host of Crime Stories, the amazing Nancy Grace, to find out how she views this case. And here we are together. Take a listen. I want to welcome Nancy Grace to the podcast, multi-hyphenated attorney, TV host, crime expert. Thank you for being here, Nancy. Thank you for inviting me.
This is very special because usually I'm a guest on your show. So, so happy to have you on The Trial of Diddy. It feels like we've been talking about this forever. I mean, Diddy got arrested back in the fall. We're finally about three weeks away from trial. What are your predictions from now until the start of the trial?
OK, number one, thank you for inviting me. And number two, like any other felony prosecution, the longer you wait, the more evidence you get. The more victims come forward, the more details you learn. I have learned that whenever I would talk to victims multiple times or witnesses, their stories wouldn't necessarily change.
But depending on the question that I ask them, I might hear additional facts. And whenever I hear witnesses or victims talk,
expound or embellish i don't blame that on the victim or witness i blame that on the questioner they obviously did not exhaust all their questions or didn't ask the right questions at the get-go so the longer this goes on the better in my mind it is for the state and that's usually the reverse typically a defense attorney's best friend is delay delay and delay witnesses get lost witnesses die witnesses move
their recollections dim i've had example this is a good one a murder and attempted murder went down by two convicted felons when i was in law school first year of law school When I got out of law school, I clerked for a judge. Then I went with the antitrust division at the FTC. And then I finally made my way to the district attorney's office in inner city Atlanta. I started trying cases.
Then I got called on the loudspeaker. The DA, who was like a grandfather to me, goes, Maxie, I ran down the stairs in high heels. I got there. He said, we need to retry this case. I'm like, okay, I'm in. It was the case that had been reversed. It was tried 12 years before.
and it had gone all the way up to the 11th circuit court of appeals and when i retried it do you know that witnesses were dead i couldn't find witnesses and i went to the evidence room to get the evidence the evidence room had been moved in between all that was left was an x-ray i didn't even know what it was or who it belonged to and a hat a baseball hat that said kiss my bass i'm like
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Chapter 5: How does Diddy's situation reflect the reality of prison life?
I mean, because when you think about it, who doesn't know about this case? Who doesn't have an opinion on this case? I personally feel like a little girl.
That's not the standard. Who hasn't heard of the case? Well, regardless of what you have heard, can you render a verdict that speaks the truth?
and take your evidence from the witness stand not what you may have read in daily mail or seen on crime stories they have to be able to commit under oath that they will get their evidence from the stand and i would not be surprised if uh there's not a sequestration jury sequestration i mean i don't like jury sequestration because it makes the jury angry I would be furious.
Chapter 6: What insights does Nancy Grace provide about the case?
Can you trust a jury to not go on their phone and look at social media and not talk about this with their family and friends?
I believe if the jurors promise under oath that they will not, you have to trust them. You really don't have a choice. But I'm telling you, jurors, if somebody told me that I couldn't come home to be with my children for a month, yeah, that's not going to happen. It's just not. I would try not to perjure myself, but no. Now, has it happened?
Yeah, it's happened where they have read articles or even worse, gone and done their own investigation. Go to the scene, just all sorts of things jurors do. And usually nobody ever finds out about it.
Yeah, this reminds me of the Ghislaine Maxwell case of the juror who said he's never experienced any type of, you know, sexual harassment or anything like that. Come to find out he forgot that he was a victim of sexual abuse and that nearly derailed the entire case.
Sometimes they think things like, yes, I was a victim of sex abuse when I was, this is a hypothetical, when I was 10, but that wasn't a sex harassment case. I mean, in their minds, see, that was the wrong question. Were you a victim of sexual harassment? They may have been thinking EEO, Equal Employment Opportunity Commission.
I mean, who knows what they were thinking, but that doesn't mean that the juror was lying. You never know what the witness, the victim, the juror in your case is thinking, but I would not impugn perjury upon them outright until I understand why they said what they said. So, see, here we are. We've already talked about this one thing for, what, five minutes?
Can you imagine having a jury pool of 200 jurors and you have to cull through that? I mean, whoo!
I mean, yeah, we're all looking forward to getting our hands on that questionnaire and seeing what's going to be on there. I think it's supposed to be released any day now, which is very exciting. You know, we're all looking forward to seeing that, but let's talk about the witnesses. We know that Cassie Ventura is supposed to be there.
A lot of Jane does, you know, there's some people who have been named. Do you think there'll be any surprise celebrity appearances?
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Chapter 7: How does jury selection work in high-profile cases?
So a lot of victims are going to be attacked because they didn't come forward at the time, because they continued in a seemingly friendly relationship with Combs. A lot of women do that. I'm like, your boss makes advances on you unwanted. What do you do? Quit and starve? There's a lot of reasons women maintain a relationship with the rapist. It's hard to understand. I know.
So we may lose credibility on a couple of witnesses, but the sheer number of them, I find it hard to believe that a jury will choose to believe him, one person over all these women. I don't believe it.
There's so much more coming up, but for now, let's pause for a break.
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Chapter 8: What challenges do jurors face in high-profile trials?
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Welcome back to The Trial of Diddy. We're still here with Nancy Grace.
I think for Hollywood itself, you know, there's been a reckoning since 2017, since the Me Too movement. Do you think that now this is going to actually change things in Hollywood? Save your breath.
Don't waste it. Because this has been going on there forever. And not just Hollywood. It's so easy to vilify Hollywood. I mean, I lived out in LA during Dancing with the Stars. I've never seen so many tall, skinny, bleached blondes with big bosoms. They're like cement blocks sticking straight out. In my life. But that said, not judging, don't care. But it's not just Hollywood. What about in D.C.
where politicians have all this power and everybody's like, yes, yes to them. Same thing. I mean, in a corporate structure where the big boss, the CEO, gets away with all sorts of inappropriate activity. I mean, it just it happens all the time and nobody says anything. But Hollywood, yes. You know what?
As I love to say, and I can feel you about to roll your eyes, when you don't know a horse, look at his track record. In other words, if you don't know what Hollywood is going to do, look at what Hollywood has already done. That is a fair precursor. See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil. That's Hollywood. But it's not just Hollywood. So do I think this is going to end? That's a big NO.
It's going to keep on going.
Then what about the victims? I mean, we had a whole Me Too movement that was supposed to empower, you know, women to come forward. Do you think that that's had an effect at least to maybe call out these big powerhouse, big players? I do.
I really do believe it has had that effect. And I think that it's typically women. Yes, I know that men are harassed as well, but it's usually women. The overwhelming majority of sex victims are women. I think they're more likely to come forward now than ever before. But after the DD trial, after the way we're going to see the victims shredded on cross-exam,
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