Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
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What is the current state of South Africa post-apartheid?
So I think for most Americans, news about South Africa ended in 1994. Both literally, we stopped getting a lot of news from the country, but also people's views about it stopped evolving then. That was the year that... The apartheid ended, I guess, officially. You had elections. Nelson Mandela, still a hero in the United States, often referred to by politicians. And it's only been, I think, in American media in the past couple of months that stories have come out of South Africa that a lot of Americans have read that actually the country seems to be falling apart and that the government is kind of genocidally racist. Yeah. And then President Trump in the past month has basically said the same thing.
And it's shocking to a lot of people, I think, how bad it is and just how racist it is, far more than apartheid ever was. And so I'm wondering, since you've just landed from South Africa, you live there, describe the state of the country right now, if you would.
Yeah, well, perhaps I can start with your reference about the 90s, because it's absolutely true. South Africa and America was very involved with the setting up of the political system that we have in South Africa during the 90s. And it was, of course, the end of history era. Everyone is excited about... the fall of the Berlin Wall, and the whole world's going to be liberal and democratic, including African countries. And Samuel Huntington actually cautioned against this in 1996, saying, you know, when he wrote The Clash of Civilizations, and he said, don't expect of African leaders and African liberation movements to suddenly become Western when you give them Western constitutions, because they are still African.
So they will use, it's the democratic paradox, they will use democratic institutions to promote non-democratic ends, right? And that's what we see in South Africa. We have a parliament. We have a very liberal constitution. But if you read the constitution and you compare that to reality in South Africa, it's two completely different worlds. The de facto and the de jure reality in South Africa is irreconcilable. And so what has been happening in South Africa is, firstly, there was this major excitement about the new South African Elsa Mandela, the miracle story. Oprah spoke about this and Charlize Theron and everyone. Of course, yes. But the reality on ground level was in many ways the opposite.
From the beginning?
Gradually. So they started, for example, with these BEE, as they call it. It's Black Economic Empowerment, which of course has nothing to do with economic empowerment. They started with that in 1996. And so they actually said initially in the 90s that that's the ruling party's strategy. They still call it that, the National Democratic Revolution strategy. which is about using democracy to promote socialist ends. And so the revolution, they say, goes in two phases. The first phase is present yourself as being liberal and democratic and get support, especially international support and local, and then use multi-party democracy as a way of of promoting the goals of taking the country down the road to socialism.
And so recently they even went as far as publishing a document saying, we are now ready for the second phase of the revolution. We now have power. We have control of the state. We now need to use this to become much more aggressive in our socialist policies. And we're seeing this in a plethora of new laws all of a sudden in South Africa. which I think it's gotten to the point where it's just not possible to maintain the view that people have had of South Africa for the last few decades and look at what's currently happening in South Africa. It's two completely different worlds. And hopefully, or happily at least, a lot of people are starting to wake up to this.
So you said Samuel Huntington wrote that in 1996, two years after the election. Yeah. I kind of thought that from day one simply because I knew people there and I was more familiar with the details of the Mandela's. Yes. So but I think most Americans don't get any idea. Like what was Nelson Mandela on Robben Island for? What was he in prison for? For being black? Or was there another reason?
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