20VC: Wix's Founder on What Wall St Gets Wrong About AI and Wix | Will Base44 Win the Vibe Coding Wars | The Truth About the Economics of Vibe-Coding | The Buyback Disaster: Lessons Learned with Avishai Abrahami
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The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
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You're not going to vibe code Shopify, no matter how good you are. Today, we're trading on other companies' news. We're not trading on Wix news. I really don't care. We make about $400 million a year, okay, in free cash flow. So we make cash, and we invest about $200 and something million into PES44. We all give too much credit for AI and what it can do. If I would be in the university studying today, I would be terrified. If I'm here, I need to be fully committed to what I'm doing because I've chosen to be here.
This is 20VC with me, Harry Stebbings. Now, it's a tough time for some public company CEOs with the SaaSpocalypse. That is more true for this CEO than almost any other. The Wix market cap is about $2.8 billion. They are doing $2.1 billion in revenue. They have Base44, which is their vibe coding product, which is now well over $150 million in ARR, growing incredibly quickly. And quite frankly, the public markets just won't give them a break. Whether it's justified or not, it's been pretty brutal. The buyback has been about as successful as the Titanic voyage, and poor Avishai, their CEO, is going through it. I wanted to sit down with him and hear how he thought about how Base44 makes such a big part of their business today and what that looks like moving forwards.
How he reflects on the buyback, what public market investors don't see that they should see. This and so much more in what I think is probably the most frank and honest conversation Avishai has had in recent years about the Wix business. But before we dive into the show today, founders face a different set of challenges at every stage of growth. For Sid Sheet, co-founder and CEO of dMatrix, JP Morgan delivered the guidance and expertise to help navigate what came next. He credits JP Morgan's high touch approach with supporting D-Matrix as it grew and expanded internationally. Whether you're in the early days or expanding into new markets, JP Morgan helps startups navigate complexity with real confidence
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I'm so happy to be here. I've watched a lot of episodes, and as I said, I learned a lot, so I'm very excited to be on the spotlight.
Dude, you know, I've just got to start with just a weird thing, but I like to bring people to personality and life a little bit.
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Chapters
5 chapters
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What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:00–23:30
2
Why do public markets misunderstand Wix’s value today?
23:30–27:54
3
Is the market pricing Wix’s core business as worthless compared to Base44?
27:54–42:03
4
How could AI and Base44 change Wix’s TAM and customer migration?
42:03–48:31
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Why did Wix build its own models for Base44 and what are the cost benefits?
48:31–57:19
Speakers
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