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Chapter 1: What unique approach does Aaron Harper take to franchise ownership?
Most people think franchising means buying a burger joint. They are wrong. My guest today took a 36-year-old power washing company in northern Pennsylvania, franchised it from scratch, and scaled it to 352 locations across 37 states. He did not wait for permission. He did not start from zero. He acquired the proven machine, systemized it, and let other operators plug in and run.
Aaron Harper figured out something most founders miss. The fastest path to scale is not building something new. It is replicating something that already works. Today, we are talking about franchise through acquisition, how to de-risk a business without killing the upside, and what it actually takes to execute when no one is watching.
If you have ever thought about owning a business, building a business, or scaling without burning your life down, this episode is for you. Let's unlock it.
So, Aaron, I mean, just before the show, you were we were discussing about essentially how you become this master in franchises and building a franchise and being able to sell them through brokers. Before we really get into it, tell me, tell us a little bit like who's Aaron Harper? Like, where do you come from and how do you even land in this place you are today?
Well, thanks for having me on. I'm excited to be here and talking with you today. Yeah, I'm from Southern California. I didn't grow up wanting to be in the franchise industry. In fact, I didn't even know what that meant. I actually wanted to be like a Hollywood agent.
So I went to Hollywood and I, after college, I literally worked in like at the agencies and like thought I wanted to like be Ari Gold. If you've watched Entourage.
Yeah. One of my favorite shows. I love it. It's such a good show.
It's so good. Yeah. Yeah. So I thought I wanted to be Ari Gold. And then I was like, wait, this is like a miserable existence and I don't enjoy this at all. So I had a friend that worked in franchise development and he goes, you should get into franchise development. And I was like, what's that?
You know, I think like many people who hear the word franchise, they think McDonald's, Wendy's, Chick-fil-A. And I was like, dude, I don't really want to like build franchises.
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Chapter 2: Why is it crucial to separate core business operations from franchise management?
And I grew that by about 200 locations in three years. And then I got on a drywall repair franchise as an employee and I grew that from 98 locations to 323 locations in about 23 months. And then I was like, wait, I can do this on my own, turn down a million-dollar offer to keep doing what I was doing and raise capital and looked at a bunch of different businesses to franchise across the country.
And I found a now 36-year-old power washing company called Rolling Suds based in northern Pennsylvania.
um great family business good bones knew i could replicate it anywhere acquired the brand invested my own money and i'm the majority shareholder in rolling suds franchise that was not a franchise so i created an entirely new company um and franchised a business that's been around for 36 years um
And we've since grown from a single location power washing business in northern Pennsylvania to we have by the end of this week, we'll have 352 units operating in 37 states across the country. Wow.
So many questions. And I, first and foremost, I mean, congratulations on all of that success. As much as I want to go back to the first part, the Ari Gold part, and, you know, out of my own wonder, like, what was, why did you hate it so much? Or what was it, you know, obviously glorified, you know, Ari Gold, but like, what was it really back then that you needed for me?
Yeah. So Los Angeles is a very... The Hollywood industry is about every kind of thing you think it is and worse. It's just very vapid and like... It's also hard to, like, measure in terms of, like, you're, like, what parties can you get into? Who can you get on the phone? Who can you sit down with for lunch? And everyone's trying to, like, get up one on each other.
So there's a lot of, like, fakeness. And I loved the, like... systems in hollywood which is like this is how we build great great movies and great tv shows but the way it kind of like operated really just didn't give me joy um and i was looking at my boss and i was like i don't want anything that you have like
yeah at all like wow well that's a good indicator yeah yeah that's interesting so you got into the franchise world um and it's funny you know you you just naturally think you said you know when people think franchise you definitely mcdonald's working right over fast food but there are so many different franchises out there what was interesting that
you said is you don't need to start a franchise from scratch. You can take a good, what I kind of heard was a mom and pop shop that has a structure. Yep. And then look at it as a franchise. Like let's just discuss that. If someone was sitting there thinking, Oh shit, how do I a franchise my own thing? Or how do I get into this world? Like what would we say to them and how can we support them?
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Chapter 3: What factors contribute to the low success rate of franchises reaching 100 units?
Yeah, absolutely. Which is a great movie. That was a great founder. Such a great movie. How are those deals... I'm just interested in how those deals are structured usually then. Because if you're going to go to the mom and pop... Let's say I have... I have the car washing business or whatever, the car washing business here in my hometown, right? And I just have a system. It's good.
I figured out the marketing. I figured out, you know, how to hire the right people, how to train them, how to get people bought in, all the things of a good business has. You come along and say, hey, I don't want to mess with this business. This is your baby. You've done the hard work. I want to replicate your business. I'm going to go do that.
So I need to learn everything, obviously, and digest how you've done this. But then I'm going to go replicate. I'm going to, like, I love what you said, go to other people who are just invested as I am in this and believe in this and sell it themselves. That becomes the franchise, the franchisee business, right? Becomes a franchisee. Yeah. How are those deals structured?
Like, am I now a partner with you 50-50? Am I only getting a little bit 10%? How does that work?
You're getting a minority share in the company because it's a company that really you don't, you didn't have before. And now it's like, you've got your great company that you built and I'm going to go and put everything on the line to build this company. I'm going to put all my money in. I'm going to raise up all the capital. I'm going to take all the risk. I'm going to run the whole thing.
And I'm going to give you a piece of that company. And so all that person is doing is basically just saying, Oh yeah, I'm never going to franchise my business. Like, I don't know how to do that. It's going to cost millions and millions of dollars, literally millions of dollars to franchise a business. And yeah,
Like, why don't I just keep running my great business that, you know, we would, we would come up to, we'd talk to some people and they'd be like, well, I'm going to franchise it. I'd be like, great. Like you have no, no use for me. Like I'm, I'm literally the franchise. I'm going to franchise a business in this space.
And the problem is, is that it's a completely new business that they don't know how to start. Like it's very, it's a very difficult business franchising in general because But there's an art to it. There is. It's an art science. There's like politics. There's like legal. There's so many like regulations around it. Like it's just like it's a very difficult business.
And it really you need to get 100 open units for the model that really even fundamentally makes sense.
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Chapter 4: How can existing business owners transition into successful franchisees?
I know, um, what I, I know when to get out of the way and I know, uh, when to put people in place. And we have a great CEO that runs the company and I sit on the board and we've just scaled rapidly. And I think we've done it to the best of our ability, the right way.
Yeah, it sure sounds like that. So I would just say if someone's thinking about this, is there telltales of how you pick your winners or losers? I'm sure there must be an art to that as well.
So a franchise brand is dependent upon the franchisees that come into the brand, the people who are buying the locations, and their willingness to execute on the model. and be team players and go out and grow their local businesses, right? Like I don't have a business unless we have franchisees in their markets growing their locations and paying royalties. And that's how the model works, right?
Like you have to, and so what we're obsessed with is how do we increase the cash on cash return for the franchisees that come in and open this business for 350 or $400,000 to get started, right? So how do we help them get to a point where their investment makes sense faster? And so the entire time that we've been running this company, it's always how do we condense the path
to profitability and return because, um, and, and so you, you basically, you, you create systems, you tweak the systems, you better the systems. And then that time and time just continues to get more and more compressed when you launch a brand and you have your first ever franchise training, um, you have no clue how long it's going to take.
You have ideas, but like up to the franchisees to execute, like truly. And so now we have 136 trucks on the road in 37 States owned by franchisees that have two, three, in some cases, four or five or six trucks. And, um, And they have scaled their businesses.
And we've continued to invest pretty much every single dollar that we've gotten back into increasing systems to continually condense that timeframe such that we have franchisees now that launch and they have contracts booked before they go to training. Like literally. Wow. We got them contracts. All they had to do was buy into the brand. exist, breathe, like, and then they can't just work.
And it's because we've invested significantly into resources for national accounts to generate business for franchisees before they even open.
So one of the things you said I thought was very important and makes sense is the people who are purchasing the franchise, they have to be the right people because they can purchase the franchise, but if they're not going to do the work, it can actually wreck also the brand and what happens upstream. How do you find the right people? How do you know they're the right people?
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Chapter 5: What mindset shift is necessary for franchisees to succeed?
So I'll address kind of both things that you said. So franchising, whether you're a franchisor or a franchisee, meaning I'm a franchisor and the people that buy into the franchise system are franchisees. So whether you go and franchise a business or become a franchisee of a business, it's one of the best ways to create wealth.
I think that is underserved and unknown by most people because you could take 200 grand and put it in the S&P 500 and it will grow annually at a certain percentage. But if you put 200 grand into a business that you own and operate every day, you could have a 20 to a hundred X return on that over a period of time growing a company.
And where most business owners don't have, most people who start businesses, they don't have some great idea. Like there's like, you don't need to have like be Mark Zuckerberg or Elon Musk. Like that's like the 0.0000001%. Like you just need to do something ordinary, but do it exceptionally well. And so that's essentially what we've done. Like power washing is not rocket science.
Um, but we predominantly focus on commercial power washing. So we're doing stadiums and airports and gas stations and convenience stores and bigger jobs, hospitals and stuff like that. Um, and no one really is doing that work currently. It's largely the guy who's a high school student. He's got a thousand dollar machine.
He does this on the weekends and in the summers and he makes 30 grand and it's great. But we're coming at it from the perspective of, oh, no, we're going to build a multi-truck commercial pressure washing empire in every single market that we go into.
And so you can really build a great business by just doing something that is very ordinary and average, meaning the service, but actually just doing it better than the other people who are currently doing it and And that's essentially what we're doing. And we're giving franchisees the ability to follow a system that allows them to do that. And then on the like, how are we generating demand level?
Well, now we have 130 plus trucks on the road, so we can go to companies like Costco and Walmart and Chick-fil-A and be like, hey, we have 37 states that we have presence in. Why don't we come do, I don't know, let us do 300 of your stores. And then we go do 300 of their stores and they're like, oh, you actually did a great job. And I like having one point of contact.
We don't ever want to use a local guy again. So here's 4,000 of them. And so we can basically go and have this leverage now because we're the only coast-to-coast power washing company out there, because we have so many franchisees who bought into the brand and are out there grinding every single day.
And so we have this leverage that we're able to do that no independent business owner is ever going to be able to have by just opening their own power washing company.
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Chapter 6: How is AI influencing the relevance of franchise ownership today?
Yeah. And just to be clear, like when I say I can't, I just can't grow their business for them. Like I, I can give them training. We have a call center. We have marketing companies that generate leads. We have national accounts where we're helping them get more work. Like we teach them how to hire people, but they actually have to wake up every single day and do it.
Yeah. I always say, I always say this when I'm hiring, when I'm going to coming onto a consulting gig or hiring salespeople who want me to teach them how to train. I say, I say, listen, I can meet you. I can show up and do my 100 percent of my 50 percent.
But what I can't do and I won't do is I'm not going to wake you up at six in the morning, knock you on the head and say, come on, let's get going. You got to keep doing this. You got to show up at 50. I'll show up at my 50 and it works. So it's the same thing. They have to actually do the hard work.
Yeah. But with that said, the majority of our franchisees come in with the right mindset because we set the right expectations in the franchise sales process. We tell them, this is what it's going to take. This is when it's going to be really hard. You're going to want to quit. But...
if you push through that and get to the other side and pass a year, two years, you're going to have an asset that you can transact and pass down to your kid. And like, you're actually going to have recurring revenue on the books. Like this is like the reality of this business. And we have hundreds of locations that are out there doing that right now. Are you willing to follow the system?
Are you willing to get in and execute? And so largely our success rate is considerably higher than someone just going and starting their own business on their own to try to figure it out.
They have to go out and figure out what website provider to hire and what logo they're going to create and what's their mission statement and how are they going to hire people and which marketing vendors actually work versus don't work. And how do I get materials and tools? Like all that stuff doesn't exist and business owners are going to spend lots of time
creating all that and guess what it might not work yeah i mean you're buying across 37 50 states like it's working so it's it's it's a de-risked opportunity
So I asked the question, I'm not sure if you know that answer though. What is your success rate? Do you guys know your success rate of franchises opening?
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Chapter 7: What strategies help achieve high owner retention rates in franchises?
Now, with this franchise model, it seems like there's so many things that are de-risked and proven that really, and I'm going to assume this because we're right in here. I'm going to assume you're also going to help them find the location or help them understand this is probably not the right market for this or whatever it might be.
So that people are not making, you know, opening up a shop in a small town that probably can't service a long time, you know, power washing company.
Yeah, I mean, we are helping them with like what I have thought through as many of the variables as you could possibly think through so that I can take off these variables off of their plate so they can just go focus on execution. Like they don't have to answer their own phones. We have a call center that does that.
There's an outbound call center that goes and generates leads for them that's calling homeowners and generating leads. There's outbound emailing that's generating leads for them through emailing. vendors that are generating organic leads. There's an accounting company that does their books. There is a payroll company that does their payroll.
All of these are either done internally by us or are done by vendors that we've negotiated relationships with. And so the franchisee in the right franchise model gets to get in, say, okay, I've got the playbook. Now I just need to go out and sell and generate revenue and hire great people. Yes, that's exactly what you need to do.
In fact, all you should be doing every single day is focusing on those two things. where franchisees get in trouble is they're like behind and analyzing numbers at two o'clock on a Tuesday. And it's like, no, no, no. Remember revenue generation and hiring great people and scaling your business is what you do during business hours.
I joke, but like, dude, I literally, when I launched this company, I awarded the first 160 units myself. I would wake up at 5 a.m., run the business till 7.30, get on the phones from 8 to 6, put the kids to bed from 6 to 8, get back in front of the computer from 8 to 11.30, running the business, and then I'd start over again. And so every 13 days, we were hiring a new person.
For the first 14 months of the business. And like, that's what it takes. Like you have to do that regardless of whether it's franchise or not a franchise, because that's what it takes to build a great business. And, and, and the franchisees who come in and do that and understand that even though we have all these tools, they still got to go in and execute.
Those are the ones that are most successful.
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Chapter 8: How does Aaron Harper define success in the franchise business model?
So thank you so much. Thanks, Caleb.