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Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?
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Chapter 2: What are the key moments from the Musk v. OpenAI trial?
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Chapter 3: How did Sam Altman's firing unfold?
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Welcome to The Verge Cast, the flagship podcast of rando Twitch guys who sometimes become CEOs for five minutes. I'm your friend, David Pearce. Neil Apatow is here. Hey, buddy. What's up? We're doing AI chaos again. This is what we do here on The Verge Cast. We talk about how people don't like AI, and then we talk about AI.
Chapter 4: What are the implications of OpenAI's rumored phone?
This is what we're here for.
If you look at our audience stats, like the website stats, which we don't talk about a lot, everybody just wants to read about AI guys being extremely dramatic.
And boy, do we have a lot. There's a cornucopia of AI guys being dramatic in the world right now.
Alex, he had a good tweet. He's covering the trial and he goes, the entire AI industry is basically just how seven guys feel about each other.
It's not wrong. Uh, and by extension, like the entire United States economy, it's just how seven guys feel about each other. Um, we got a lot to talk about. There's a, there's a new, uh, Fitbit product that I think you and I both have a bunch of thoughts and questions about. Uh, open AI is maybe making a chat GPT phone.
We got a bunch of stuff to talk about, but we got to start with the trial, right? Elon Musk versus open AI continues. This is week two of the trial. Uh, I sort of expected it to be less bananas in week two after Elon Musk left the stand. I was wrong.
Very wrong. It is only increased in amount of bananas, a bushel, if you will. A bushel of bananas. Can I just say this like one thing that's been on my mind throughout this entire trial? And maybe it's because, you know, I have like ex-lawyer in me and married to a lawyer and we think about the lawyer stuff. To make AI good, You have to tell it everything. Right. Right.
Like it needs access to all of your email. You got to write down everything you want. You got to write these long system problems, all this stuff, all the context that it needs. We're now watching the fruits of that in discovery in a lawsuit. Oh, that's such a good theory. Do you know what I mean? Like Greg Brockman, why did you keep a journal? And his journal is extraordinarily damning.
He's like, I shouldn't steal this charity. What are you doing, man? I'm not saying that drove this set of characters to keep the notes and send the texts that they sent. I'm very grateful that they did because some of them are frankly hilarious. And honestly, a huge part of this Verge cast is just going to be me and David reading other people's texts to each other. And it's going to be amazing.
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Chapter 5: What are the implications of Apple's AI health rebranding?
Like, we just shouldn't forget how wild that fact is.
I mean, you want to talk about software brain. That ad, by the way, is built. The whole concept is built in the idea that all that data is in one calendar that Siri can go look at.
Yep. Which, no part of that exists in the real world. But anyway, so... This story has been burning up all over our site this week because, A, people can go and claim money.
Chapter 6: How does the new Fitbit Air integrate AI technology?
If you bought a phone, I think it's basically between June of 2024 and May of 2025, you can get $25. Potentially up to $95. We'll see how it goes. Probably $25. Congratulations to everybody on your $25. But this is like...
Chapter 7: What is the concept behind the new Familiar robot companion?
This continues to be a bad look for Apple. This is what I mean by Apple did not successfully stand aside the AI CapEx problems that other companies have. Apple screwed up so badly that it might actually have turned out okay.
Yeah. I mean, they sold more Macs than ever because people are running OpenClaw on them.
Which Apple also didn't see coming and they have supply issues. Like, this company fell ass backwards into being an AI power player. And good on you for falling ass backwards into it, but like... What is it? The line was the Twitter was a clown car that ran into a gold mine. Like that's Apple and AI in such a real way.
Chapter 8: How is the Xbox platform evolving under new leadership?
Absolutely. I mean, you know, WWC is right around the corner. I think we're expecting to see a bunch of this Google deal pay off. I think we're expecting to see the new Siri. I think Apple understands more than any company, like how to use a new user interface paradigm to make products. We'll see if John Ternus can pull even more rabbits out of a hat here. But it is true that at that time,
The conventional wisdom was that chatbots would displace the iPhone. And if Apple didn't have an AI narrative, that it would be in some kind of existential danger. So they just concocted one. They never shipped it to the point where they're paying millions of dollars out, hundreds of millions of dollars out for making fake ads.
And it was all fine because the fundamental truth was that the natural language interface was not powerful enough on its own to stand up a competitor to the iPhone.
Yep. And that's why you have to build a phone. That is the funniest thing here. Strategically, OpenAI is doing the exact right thing, and it's going to fail, and I bet they know it. But what other choice do you have?
Right, because the other player in phones is also not sitting still. No. Also, the big bad of OpenAI's entire history, it turns out, runs... he's just like have you seen what I did to Bixby Bixby has lasers coming out of its eyes smoke coming out of its ears Exactly.
Google actually launched a sort of AI gadget this week, which I'm actually very curious for your take on this. So it's called the Fitbit Air and it is a screenless Fitbit. It's sort of a throwback to the old ideas of Fitbit where it's just a little like bracelet of a thing that you can wear. They also make one that you can clip.
They have it's a little modular fitness tracker in a very sort of 2012 kind of way. The big pitch here is not that it's a very old Fitbit, but that it connects to a bunch of Google's AI stuff. They've rebranded the Fitbit app as Google Health, which I think is just a horrifically bad idea, but we can talk about that.
And the idea is it's this Gemini-powered health and fitness thing that can collect all of this data and give it back to you in a sort of AI coach kind of way. The thing is $99. I will say personally, I am very enthusiastic about the idea of a pretty straightforward screenless fitness tracker. This is actually a thing I have been wanting for a while. Are you still a Whoop guy?
You're a Whoop guy, right?
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