The Viall Files
E1065 - Traitors with Britney Haynes and Crystal Kung Minkoff, RHOBH and The Toxic Mom Group
20 Jan 2026
Chapter 1: What are the latest headlines in reality TV?
What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another electric episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition. I'm your home... I'm your homeboy.
Your homeboy?
I'm your homeboy.
What? I'm your host, Nick, joined by my...
Just keep it wife.
Just wonderful. Just wife. Just gorgeous. And we're also joined. Sexy, beautiful, gorgeous, sexy wife.
We're also joined by Crystal Minkoff. Hi.
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Chapter 2: How do the guests feel about the mom group drama?
Our angel. One half of The Extraordinary Show. Humble brag, but she is with us to talk about all things life, reality TV, the dinner we had, mom groups, friend groups.
Everything. Ex-friend groups.
Do you want to? Have you been asked about this ad nauseum?
Yes, but I get a lot of DMs.
Chapter 3: What insights do Britney Haynes and Crystal Kung Minkoff share about 'Traitors'?
I've been getting a lot of... Okay, I'll tell you. Now I realize people genuinely, like the housewives or anyone, I guess, when they say, oh, leaking stories, the amount of DMs I've gotten from those source, whatever, like, oh, you can be a private source. We won't name it. And then it's like, if you have any beef, we can let it out without it being you. I'm like, I don't even...
respond i'm like first of all because i don't have these with any of the girls but like i just can't believe that actually happens and i can see it being very tempting to people who do who want to like get nasty shit out there it's shocking are you saying they're recruiting
No, they're like, want to know the tea of like stories of like, I'm assuming you're talking about Ashley Tisdale, the whole thing or the mom group thing. Yeah.
Is there other mom groups that are?
Well, it was like my ex-friend group. But like, you know, look, L.A. mom scene. Is big, but it's small. I said, like, I went to preschool. I didn't go to preschool with the girl. Like, we're moms at the same preschool. We don't go back like 40 years. So all our kids all went to preschool together at different ages. Everyone has different kids at different ages.
And so I just kind of like this is a group that I know some much better than others. But it happens. I mean, obviously, I try to get tea free. for myself. And I am now on a group chat with my friends who are like, we're all like one step away. So we're just laughing. It's insane. The whole thing is insane. I just don't know why Ashley did it. But if it's cathartic for her, then great.
Like, I think it's awesome. Like whatever you want to do. But I don't know what happened.
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Chapter 4: What are the highlights from the latest episode of RHOBH?
Did you see that there's now like Hollywood studios are circling the idea of like making this into a film?
Well, I could have given my story two years ago. So, like, it's kind of old news now.
Would we rather have a film or would we want, like, a 10-episode movie series? No, totally.
And it could be, like, really dark. Yeah. You know, like, murderous.
Murder, yeah. Murder, yeah.
Yeah, you gotta have that stuff. Yeah, but it's a good story. I mean, like, I don't think it's unique to here. You know what I mean? Like, it's just become so big because of famous people involved.
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Chapter 5: How do the guests compare the dynamics of reality TV shows?
But actually, this is just indicative of, like, I think a lot of mom stories and being left out. And I, you know, I was telling my friends, like, like, why would you know who cares? Like, just walk out the group. And like, it's different when it comes to your children. Your children just add such a
glare and intensity and a protection that like when you're when you feel like your kids not if you're not included it reflects on your child and it's so painful so like I understand all those small moments and you have to take these lessons as a mom to teach your kids like to not be exclusive and you know but moms still do it I mean Max is in middle school and the moms are still doing that
Like who they're picking up to go to the mall and you see it on. And then they're Snapchatting each other. And it's like, it's so mean.
Yeah, because it's like the moms are getting excluded.
Chapter 6: What are the challenges of being a reality TV contestant?
But then that also means like their children are also getting excluded. So now the kids are like, why can't I go and play with Sally Lou?
Oh, my God, that makes me so like.
And the moms are doing it. So the kids are hanging out with more popular kids. Oh. It's insane. So it's not, like I said, it's not unique. It just starts very early. It starts when you're a child and then you become a parent. And then when you do that to other moms, it's just, it's very tough watching it. So I do feel for everybody, but like it is very gossipy right now.
Who do we think is going to play Ashley Tisdale? I think Ashley should play herself.
What if Mandy Moore plays Ashley Tisdale and Ashley Tisdale plays Mandy Moore? Oh, wow.
By the way, if the bigger group takes this and runs, like they'll really profit off it. You know, if they really play, they have someone else playing Ashley and like, you know, but no, it's, I mean, I mean, we laugh about it, but actually it's kind of, it's really sad.
But actually when you paint it in those, in that picture. Yeah. I can see how it gets mean and dark and yeah. I can see how parents have a hard time separating the drama they feel, their feelings, and how their kids are affected. And yeah, I can see how that gets really cloudy and really messy fast.
By the way, it starts in preschool with birthday parties. At our preschool, there was a requirement that if you had a birthday party for your kid, the class had to be included online. Or like all girls, if it's like a kind of a girl party or something. But it had to be very inclusionary. Because it's so early.
And, you know, that's the kind of age where, you know, you're sitting there and mommy and me and you guys will experience this. Like your baby's sitting on the ground and everyone's kind of looking at each other like who knows who and stuff.
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Chapter 7: How do personal relationships affect reality TV performances?
It just it is what it is. And then you kind of naturally are drawn to people. And that's human nature. That's normal to create friendships. But, you know, as they get older, maybe one of the kids is a little bit like bites another kid. I'm like, get that kid out of here. Of course, I'm telling you, it sounds insane.
But like then that kid is kind of ousted a little bit, not included in the mommy, you know, the music classes anymore. And then that makes you feel isolated. And it's just like I can only tell this to moms right now. And I think the first time I met you guys, I was like mommying like this is my life. Right. Yeah. It changes every day. And if it's not your kid today, it will be your kid tomorrow.
And just give people some grace. Because when it happens to you and your kid is the bad kid of the day or the week, you want people to give you the benefit of the doubt and your child the benefit of the doubt. So lead with kindness. Lead with empathy. Because
Chapter 8: What fashion trends are emerging in this season of 'Traitors'?
everyone and you yourself as a human make mistakes, right? And you want people to give you the benefit of the doubt. So that's my PSA for this.
I was hanging out with a dear friend of mine who is a reality TV producer. And we were talking traders, which we'll obviously get into later this episode. Please. Because we also have Brittany Hayes joining us soon in this episode. If you don't know who Brittany is, she is of season three fame, one of the finalists of last season. She made it pretty far.
Anyway, she has a lot to say, and we'll get into all the nitty-gritty of traitors. But we were talking traitors, and he was just talking about the reality TV bubble as a whole, and kind of jokingly said, you guys are all just like... And he said, you guys. So he kind of just included me, but just any person he's ever known to be on reality TV or the influencer space.
And he referred to it as a Game of Thrones kind of competition. And it was like... He made valid points where it's just like the, and hearing you talk about mom groups and just like the kids putting out Snapchats, just the hustle. Like at the end of the day, if you get this opportunity to be a part of a reality TV show,
and have any aspirations for life outside of that show, whether you're influencing the followers, the opportunities, the trips, all those things, at the end of the day, everyone is competing, right? Everyone sees the opportunities that other people get. What do they say? Comparison is a thief of joy, and there is absolutely no joy in this space that like, where truly everyone is competing.
And even when you see people have success, few people are actually happy for you. And most people are saying nice things to your face and talking shit behind your back. Because at the end of the day, if you have success, most people are saying to themselves and to their team and to their managers, why isn't that me? Why didn't that happen to me? Why didn't I get that opportunity?
And it's kind of like... When hearing him speak about it, I mean, it said a lot of truth. There was a lot of truth behind it. And it's kind of this dark reality of this world we live in.
Totally. I mean, I think that anyone that's considering joining the space, if you struggle with things like social media on a simple level, FOMO, if it affects your mental health, like it is an explosion. It's exponentially worse. This is exactly what it is, but sort of on a massive platform. And it's so even my son, Max, is like he he doesn't he's not on Snapchat.
And but he knows what's happening because he's texting with his friends. You know, he literally said to me yesterday, I'm not on it for my mental health. And he's 13 years old. And I'm like, great. Like, protect yourself. I'm like, if someone's not nice to you, lean into the kids who are. You know, it's like a very simple life story.
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