On this week’s episode of The Waves, the co-host of Slate’s internet culture podcast ICYMI, Rachelle Hampton sits down with Slate associate editor and romance author, Marissa Martinelli to talk about romance novels and, of course, the television show Bridgerton. In the first half, they dig into the longstanding race and gender politics at play within the romance writing community and gatekeeping, why we need more Short Kings and Fat Women in romance, and of course…Fabio. Then they get into the Netflix phenomenon, Bridgerton and talk about the problematic dynamics the show didn’t sort out when it “solved” racism, why making Daphne pretty ruined season one for Rachelle, and how season two kinda, sorta, almost cured some of the problems of season one. In Slate Plus, are corsets feminist? Recommendations: Marissa: The romance novel book club podcast, Hot and Bothered. Rachelle: Season one of Netflix’s Virgin River. Further Reading: Dangerous Books for Girls by Maya Rodale “Inside the List” by Gregory Cowels “How Bridgerton Touches on Colonialism in India” by Desiree Ibekwe “The Biggest Changes Between Bridgerton Season 2, and The Steamy, Ridiculous Book It’s Based On” by Marissa Martinelli “Under the Covers” by Anne Wallentine “One Romance Novelist’s Fight for Diverse Love Stories” by Rachelle Hampton Podcast production by Cheyna Roth with editorial oversight by Shannon Palus and June Thomas. Send your comments and recommendations on what to cover to [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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