In this edition of The Way Out I’m pleased to bring you my interview with person in long term recovery and CEO of Desert Hope Treatment Center, George Gatski. George shares his journey to and through recovery this point with us with the refreshing candor and insight we’ve come to know quite well here at The Way Out Podcast and the fashion in which Greg shares his Recovery journey is a shining example of a Powerful Recovery story that is ultra relatable and extremely illuminating. Especially enlightening and instructive in George’s story are the following messages: first is the exceptionally common experience of our drug of choice being an instant answer to our problems - as George phrases it, like a key in a lock and equally important to understand is most folks don’t feel that way when the drink or use substances. Second, and we’re fierce advocates of this message, there are no rock bottoms in addiction. The only true rock bottom is when we’re dead. Anything short of that is when we stop digging. Instead, there are very often windows of opportunities or bottoms if you will which afford us a chance to enter into Recovery and to make a decision to begin to make the changes we need to make in order to launch our Recovery in earnest. Last but certainly not least, George’s message that we’re not bad people getting good, instead we’re sick people getting well helps us understand that we can shed the shame and guilt wrapped up in our past which is consistent with much of the work that is embodied in the 12 Steps and many other pathways of Recovery. All of this is to say that George’s story is a tremendous listen and is jam packed with spiritual and recovery truth so do make sure you listen up. Reach out to George Gatski and Desert Hope Treatment Center: https://deserthopetreatment.com/contributors/george-gatski-mba-cadc/ Recovery Literature (quit-lit) Recommendations: NA Basic Text - https://www.na.org/?ID=literature Untethered Soul by Mark Singer - https://untetheredsoul.com/untethered-soul Best pieces of Recovery Advice: I'm not a bad person getting good I'm a sick person getting well My head lies to me Song that symbolizes Recovery to George: We belong by Pat Benetar - https://youtu.be/qxZInIyOBXk Don’t forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast! https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6HNQyyjlFBrDbOUADgw1Sz (c) 2015 - 2023 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa (https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

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