Ep.8: “Amor Fati” with Natasha Rothwell
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What are the hosts' initial reactions to the season finale?
Hello and welcome to the White Lotus official podcast companion to season three. I'm Gia Tolentino.
And I'm Josh Behrman. And I'm feeling sad. Yeah.
I'm fucking sad. It's a sad finale.
I know. I know. It's a different feeling from the other two finales. Yeah. Where everybody in both cases like kind of airport reunions. There's like the different kind of resolution. And here was a lot of bodies. Yeah.
A lot of bodies.
Yeah, it was melancholy, you know.
There's not like a gag at the end of the, like usually there's kind of a gag. Like you have Portia in her insane outfit, you know, like you've got Jake Lacey still being a dickhead or whatever. Like here it's fucking sad.
Yeah, well, that's what you get when you tackle the season about death. Death.
About life being a prison, about death being the eternal return and the release from suffering.
Which characters do the hosts identify with the most?
About death being the escape.
Yeah. And when you have our, you know, our faves from episode one, Chelsea and Rick, they were our self-identification characters and we knew they were doomed. But we hoped episode by episode that they would make it.
I know. So far, you've been asking the question at the top of the show that kicks it off and puts us into the mode. And often it was, who are you identifying with? Now I turn the tables back on you. It's all said and done. Who are you identifying with?
Well, the part where Chelsea is like, get me a donut. And then when Rick gets the look in his eyes, it's like, I'm going to murder someone in 30 seconds if I can't talk to my therapist. And she's like, no, Rick, no. And eats the donut as she's running after him. Like that's that's she's still my girl. She's still my girl. She's still my overbite representation queen. I do think. I mean, Chelsea doesn't have any bad qualities. Like, I refuse to assign to that angel.
She's a perfect person.
She's a perfect person. Yes, she's credulous. But I'm not willing to say that she has any negative qualities. If I am to search myself for my most negative qualities, I'm probably a Jacqueline. Yeah. Like the self-interest, self-centeredness. Queen B. I wouldn't even describe myself as a queen. But, you know, the sort of behavior I'm feeling. I'm feeling a little Jacqueline. And who are you?
Well, I think my time on the Rick Walton Goggins train might have come to an end because I would not have been snapped back into revenge mode.
You would have stayed in the sweet dinner moment.
Yeah, exactly. I would never have killed the killer of my father, or it turns out my father.
You thought you were getting out of this. You're really getting it a different way now.
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Chelsea says, stop thinking about the life you didn't have and look at the one you do have. And I feel like, especially in the moment, coming from that, like, beam of light entity who is giving you this incredible redemptive wisdom, I would have accepted it. And for sure at the moment, I would have probably then vacillated and like fell backwards and like gone back and forth in that kind of torment. But no, in the moment, I would have been like, you're right, we're at breakfast. Let's just like get some, get these donuts and get out of here.
This episode, the last episode, XL-sized, is called Amor Fati. It's written and directed by Mike White. And later in this episode, we'll be talking to Natasha Rothwell, who has a real big moment.
And coming up in a bonus episode very soon, we'll be sitting down with White Lotus creator Mike White to talk about the entire series. So look out for that. It opens with like a dawn, right? The whole episode, and you kind of do the carousel of all the characters on their last day.
How does the episode 'Amor Fati' unfold?
So in that kind of round robin where we're seeing everybody again for the last time, maybe some of them forever for the last time, you have the monk from the monastery talking about, we wake up every day looking with anxiety, looking for resolution, looking for answers, and basically, what if there is no resolution?
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Chapters
6 chapters
1
What are the hosts' initial reactions to the season finale?
0:37–1:34
2
Which characters do the hosts identify with the most?
1:34–4:41
3
How does the episode 'Amor Fati' unfold?
4:41–8:38
4
What insights does Natasha Rothwell share about Belinda's journey?
8:38–11:19
5
What themes are explored in the character arcs?
11:19–12:42
6
What are the hosts' takeaways from the season?
12:42–51:44