Ep. 6: “Denials” with Patrick Schwarzenegger and Leslie Bibb
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What is the introduction to this episode's theme?
Hello and welcome to the White Lotus official podcast companion to season three. I'm Gia Tolentino.
And I'm Josh Behrman.
Who is in the most trouble after the Full Moon Party?
And I have a question for you about episode six. Who's in the most trouble right now?
Hmm.
Who's in the worst place?
Right. Okay, good question. This episode is doing a good job of like everybody could want to kill somebody else or be in trouble or be desperate or be the mark of somebody who's desperate.
Yes. Well, it's like up till the full moon party, everyone was sewing. And now they have to reap.
Now they're reaping. Now they have to reap.
They're in the reaping phase. The show is in its reaping phase.
Right. I would have said at the beginning that Tim is in the most trouble.
Yeah.
But now, Saxon. It's definitely Saxon. He's in trouble. His world has been rocked.
But he was the one that rocked it. He was the one that was telling his little brother that he needed to get laid, get everything.
That's what he says at the very beginning. All right. So let's get into this episode, which is called Denials. And as always, it's written and directed by Mike White. And later in this episode, we'll be talking to Patrick Schwarzenegger, a.k.a. Saxon, and Leslie Bibb, who plays Kate. In general, the episode sort of gets into that's the morning after.
It's the morning after episode. Yeah. It's the morning after episode.
It's like the many walks of shame, right, that intersect and then throw these sets of relationships into some tumult. This is like Saturday night, Sunday morning, you know, to some degree. It's like the ecstasy of Saturday night and then the reckoning of Sunday morning, which, by the way, I feel even just watching it, I was like, oh, yeah, right, the morning episode. Always comes. What? You mean just like in general? In general. Well, because I was so caught up in episode five where I'm like, they're at the party. The party will last forever. Yeah, the party's going to last forever. They're like, you know, Piper's over there studying Buddhism, but they're transcending and experiencing a new reality at the party. And then I was like, oh, no. Like, you get your hangover.
Like, the next day comes. The morning after happens. There's no way out of it. And I felt like I was like, I had like duped myself like yet again. Yeah. Into believing I was going to live forever because I was like at this awesome party. I mean, in some way, all the characters are looking for transcendence in different forms. And there's drugs and sex or there are people that come from this background of money offers happiness or where do you find your happiness? And I was kind of stirred into the belief that the ecstatic. You know, revelry can also be transcendent, which I do think it can. But I was like, I was really feeling it. And now I'm like, oh, I that was not what was intended for that party.
The monk says to Timothy, you know, he's like, people run towards pleasure and they get there and they just find more pain.
Right.
They could have had just a wonderful sort of skinny dipping time in the pool and watching the fireworks and making out on the full moon party. But it's like, you know, the message that is coming through the screen is that we as humans are not content with that. We have to take it one step farther. We have to cheat on our partners. We have to have sex with our brothers. We have to... You know what I mean? Like our desire for more.
We have to become an Asian woman.
We have to become an Asian woman. You know what I mean? It's like there could be places where pleasure could be contentment. And yet the message of specifically Buddhism, right, it's like if you are not mindful of what pleasure is, it will hurt you. Your relationship to it will hurt you. Right.
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Chapters
6 chapters
1
What is the introduction to this episode's theme?
1:00–1:08
2
Who is in the most trouble after the Full Moon Party?
1:08–18:03
3
What are the dynamics between Saxon and his brother Lachlan?
18:03–20:13
4
What philosophical questions are explored in this episode?
20:13–26:33
5
How does Kate's relationship with her friends evolve?
26:33–51:23
6
What is the significance of Piper's encounter with the monk?
51:23–52:12