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How did Andy Burnham’s first UN meeting with Donald Trump unfold?
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being able to do a little bit of that easygoing, gladhadding charm. That definitely will suit him well in the international arena.
I think he's a natural business person. We've had a lot of discussions. Even before this meeting we've spoken to each other numerous times on the phone.
There is a risk here that the UK just gets caught floating somewhere mid-Atlantic. Andy Burnham decided to put his own imprint on British foreign policy. And I'd be really interested to see what other topics he chooses to do that on.
From The Guardians Today in Focus, this is the latest. With me, Lucy Hough. Andy Burnham, our relatively new Prime Minister, is well used to being out and about in the streets of Manchester, but this is his first time being in a prime ministerial role in the corridors of power in New York at the UN General Assembly. Kieran Stacey, you are our policy editor. Andy Bunham had his first meeting with US President Trump yesterday, something that any leader would go into with some trepidation. How do you think it went for him?
Uh yeah, I mean, uh probably as well as could be expected. Uh it's interesting that actually there were some signs of nerves there. Uh when the two leaders were talking to the press afterwards, you could see Andy Burnham kind of playing almost slightly nervously with one of his hands. I mean, I would say that Andy Burnham it does have a kind of slightly deferential manner to him. He's he's very warm, he's very personal, he's very charming.
What did Trump say about the US‑UK relationship and Burnham’s business style?
But he's not especially sitting next to the bombastic president. President Trump. He's not kind of usually playing the alpha male in the room. And that definitely came across, I think, as the two men were sitting there in front of the cameras after their meeting. But look As far as Downing Street's concerned, this went as well as could be expected. They thought there might be a few stumbling blocks, the Chagos Islands deal being one of them, which did come up, but also sanctions on Israeli settlements being another, which really didn't come up and and Donald Trump swerved altogether. And the real moment that I think number ten will want to focus on today is somebody asked the president, look. US and UK have had some ups and downs in recent years.
Where would you say we are now? He said, very much up. Uh, and he said, you know, better than things were under the last Prime Minister, which I'm sure Andy Burnham would have enjoyed hearing. He might have also enjoyed hearing himself referred to by Donald Trump as a natural business person, which I don't think anybody's ever called Andy Burnham before. But in Trump land, that's the ultimate compliment.
It certainly is, and it shows that Burnham has obviously been uh trained up in how to play the Trump game, but I don't think natural businessman is anything we would have thought of describing Andy Burnham as before. Um y you mentioned that one of the sticking points was the Chagos Islands, something that has been preoccupying Trump for some time. There uh there has been huge criticism from the Trump administration about the deal to give give the Takeos Islands back to Mauritius but still keep the military base. But there are some signs that the British government might be thinking a bit creatively, perhaps to appease the president.
Well, look, what's really happened over the last twenty four hours is that senior ministers, Andy Burnham included, have admitted
Did the Chagos Islands dispute become a sticking point in the talks?
what the government's position is and has been for some time. As soon as Donald Trump came out and said that he was opposed to the Chagos deal, it was essentially debt. The US needs to ratify this. The US President needs to approve of it. If he doesn't, the deal can't go ahead. Keir Starmer kind of said as much, but was never quite as open as I think Andy Burnham and his defense secretary West Streeting have been in the last twenty-four hours. What's really happened is a shift in rhetoric. So even back earlier this week, Luke Pollard, the defense minister, was sent out onto the airwaves insisting that the government was still pursuing that Chagos deal.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
How did Andy Burnham’s first UN meeting with Donald Trump unfold?
0:00–1:33
2
What did Trump say about the US‑UK relationship and Burnham’s business style?
1:33–3:15
3
Did the Chagos Islands dispute become a sticking point in the talks?
3:15–5:03
4
How did Burnham address sanctions on Israeli settlements in the West Bank?
5:03–6:19
5
What is the new National Centre for Information Defence and why was it announced at the UN?
6:19–8:13
6
How is the UK planning to tackle foreign‑run disinformation campaigns?
8:13–10:08
7
Why is the UK positioning itself as a regulator of AI and could this clash with Trump’s views?
10:08–11:43
8
What does Burnham’s performance at the UN reveal about his foreign‑policy approach?
11:43–12:46
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