Trump forced to refund billions in tariffs – The Latest
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It is a huge problem for Trump. He does look sort of weak at the moment. Republicans and Democrats feel that Trump's tariffs have cost them more money. And Trump continues to sort of threaten these other tariffs. It's ludicrous. He doesn't have that power. The reason he thinks tariffs is such a beautiful word is that it was a cudgel that he could use to browbeat other countries into doing what he wants. But the Supreme Court told him he actually can't.
From The Guardian's Today In Focus, this is The Latest with me, Lucy Harth. So Donald Trump has often said that his favourite word, the most beautiful word in the dictionary as far as he is concerned, is tariff. I wonder if that's something that he is reflecting on somewhat this week, given that the US has paid $81 billion in tariff refunds in the last year. Chris Michael, you are our international editor for Guardian US. People will remember April 2025 when Trump held up that laminated board of tariffs.
What triggered the Supreme Court to rule Trump’s tariffs illegal?
What's changed since then that means these refunds have had to be paid out?
Yeah, one wonders if refund is his second favorite word.
I imagine not. Yeah, I think it's safe to say probably not.
What's changed is an incredible Supreme Court ruling in February of this year, which said that Trump's tariffs were illegal. Trump, you may recall, declared an emergency, a national emergency. He said, China, but many other places, are ludicrously high. And instead of trying to address the root causes of that, he just said, we're just going to slap tariffs on other countries to address this national emergency. He's done it with other things as well. He loves declaring emergencies in order to kind of try to get powers that he really doesn't have. But the Supreme Court said, no, you don't have those powers. You aren't allowed to just unilaterally impose taxes, which is what they said it was. You know, the president doesn't have the authority to impose taxes, only Congress does.
A word that Donald Trump does not like, we should say.
Right, absolutely. And so, yeah, it was a huge blow to Trump. He said, I'm going to fight back. I'm going to, you know, we'll get the tariffs in through other means. And he has instituted some other ones. But by and large, the ruling stood and Trump and the U.S. government have had to repay these sort of massive tariffs that they collected. And yeah, that's what they've been doing.
Yes. So on that list, that laminated list was a list of nations. So China had in excess of 60% tariffs. Vietnam had an extraordinary 90%. But there were also two uninhabited islands inhabited mainly by penguins who also had some pretty harsh tariffs imposed on them, which feels unfair considering their probably negligible contribution to the global economy. But But it's not actually nations who are suing because it's a series of lawsuits, right? It's companies who've been impacted by these tariffs. Who are they?
You know, any company really that imports. Famously, Trump was sort of portraying the tariffs as punishing other countries.
How much has the US government refunded because of the tariff ruling?
But it's US companies that have to pay them. And it's US consumers that end up eating the cost of that. So that's exactly who have been collecting them. So it's big companies as well as individuals. If you had to cross a border and you had to pay customs duty for one of these places where there was a tariff, you are eligible, in theory, for a refund. A lot of people obviously won't be claiming those small amounts back. And some companies have been set up on Wall Street to sort of collect the tariffs on behalf of large groups, a bit like a class action suit. And there's another big group of people that will be benefiting, which is the people who bought into a sort of secondary market for tariff refunds before the Supreme Court decision.
And they were buying up these tariff refunds on, you know, like sort of 10 cents on the dollar, hoping to make a buck in the future.
I mean, you touched on it in your first answer, but what was the sort of point of the tariffs in the first instance? Because it was both about a kind of geopolitical sign of strength, but it was also about this trade deficit that Trump was very concerned about.
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