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Michiel Oakes said he tried to negotiate with Mark Stover to end the vicious back and forth. But the way he told the story, everything went wrong during their final meeting, on October 28th, 2009. The day Mark disappeared and the day Michiel was pulled over by police. Get early, ad-free access to episodes of Trained to Kill: The Dog Trainer, the Heiress and the Bodyguard by subscribing to 48 Hours Plus on Apple Podcasts. The series is widely available everywhere else you get your podcasts. Subscribe to 48 Hours+: https://apple.co/4aEgENo To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Chapter 1: What happened on October 28, 2009?

1.144 - 15.115 Peter Van Sant

I've seen a lot of stuff over 30 years, you know, some very despicable crime and things that are kind of tough to wrap your head around. And this ranks right up there in the pantheon of Rhode Island fraudsters.

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15.936 - 20.62 Michael Oakes

I've always been told I'm a really good listener, right? And I maximized that while I was lying.

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23.822 - 28.566 Ad Voice

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32.373 - 39.718 Dispatcher

Gadget 911, what's your emergency? It's not an emergency, but I need a sheriff to come out here to Summit Park Grange.

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43.621 - 64.788 Tammy Gilden

This is Tammy Gilden in Anacortes, Washington. She called 911 sometime before 1150, the morning of October 28, 2009, when she and her mother noticed a man trespassing behind the Grange Hall. It's an event facility about half a mile from Mark Stover's house.

65.209 - 73.833 Dispatcher

I just saw one guy. Okay. Did you say anything to him? Nope. I just backed up and pulled in front.

74.594 - 79.376 Tammy Gilden

Tammy noticed that the guy was at the back of the property, where no one should be parked.

79.757 - 82.198 Dispatcher

There's two vehicles. They're facing back to back.

83.027 - 89.048 Tammy Gilden

One of those two vehicles was a white station wagon. The other was a black SUV.

Chapter 2: Who is Tammy Gilden and what did she witness?

424.184 - 442.948 Jennifer Thompson

And actually, he told me that he didn't love her. I can't say what's true and what isn't. I don't know. But what he told me was that it wasn't like us. It was a convenience. They were partners. They each had things that the other needed.

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448.502 - 454.584 Tammy Gilden

So when Michael called her that October morning, Jennifer agreed to meet him at a Starbucks.

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455.564 - 468.108 Jennifer Thompson

And he looked very disheveled and frumpy, like just kind of hair was poofy and clothes untucked, which is different because he's usually very meticulous and neat and tidy, tucked in belt, you know, that kind of thing.

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469.248 - 473.21 Tammy Gilden

They sat together at a table in the corner of the coffee shop.

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473.91 - 486.606 Jennifer Thompson

I'm going to kind of have some general chit-chat. And then he says, hey. You know there's a beach around here? And I said, well, it's Everett. It's a port. It's not very pretty, though. What are you looking for?

487.667 - 490.049 Tammy Gilden

She suggested a beach they could go to.

490.069 - 498.116 Jennifer Thompson

I said, sure, that sounds good. He said, I have some time. He said, but my car is really full. There's no room for you, so I'll just follow you. I said, that's fine.

498.956 - 505.502 Tammy Gilden

Jennifer noticed that Michael parked far away from her and that his vehicle was caked in mud.

506.408 - 521.311 Jennifer Thompson

Well, and the way there was very strange because he was driving so carefully, laying low, trying not to draw attention to himself. And this is a man that flips a U-turn when it's convenient for him, even if it's illegal.

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