DEBATE: Has Trump Surrendered To Iran? - Melanie Phillips
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Trump is giving Iran the ability to become again the great threat to the region and to the world. You don't negotiate with people who believe they are put on Earth by God to destroy America. This is an Islamist war against the West. It cannot be lost. If it's lost, the West is lost. They're not building intercontinental ballistic missiles because they want to hit Israel. They're doing it for America. So what would you have Trump do? If you go to war, you have to do it properly.
When you say properly, it's a euphemism for putting boots on the ground.
Yeah.
You effectively want what happened to Nazi Germany in World War II or what happened to Japan, because there's no other way to do that.
There has to be boots on the ground, but the boots need to be the Iranian people.
This episode is sponsored by our friends at Hillsdale College. Right after this episode, go check out the incredible online courses, which are absolutely free at hillsdale.edu. Melanie Phillips, welcome back to Trigonometry. Delightful to be here again. Well, it's wonderful to have you on. We want to talk about the Middle East, the war with Iran, the potential deal or not deal that may be happening. But right as we sit here recording this, it's only a day since Keir Starmer, the British prime minister, has announced that he's voluntarily, entirely voluntarily leaving office, almost certainly handing over to Andy Burnham. And before we get into the Middle East stuff, we just wanted to get your perspective on what's happening here in Britain.
Well, as you say, Mr. Burnham looks like he's going to become the prime minister. I think among the British public, the niceties of the British constitution aside, they are furious that they elected somebody that they thought was going to be in power for five years, Sir Keir Starmer, and now they find some other bloke is going to be prime minister, and they didn't vote for him, and they feel a bit short-chained. So I think that's quite dangerous. for Andy Burnham. I think he's got a bit of a dilemma. If he's going to continue with the manifesto commitments laid out by Keir Starmer and enacted by Keir Starmer's government, he's going to find himself in exactly the same position of total unpopularity and manifest incompetence and worse that Keir Starmer found himself in.
If he decides that he wants to junk all that and do something very different, then he's got a problem because he has no standing to do so, because that's not the agenda on which the Labour government or the Labour Party won its stonking great majority. So he, in all honour, he would need to call a general election very fast. And from what I read, he doesn't want to do that. So it looks like he is, I think, probably going to fall between the two and he's going to tough it out. He's going to become, you know, crowned as prime minister. And he's going to, I would imagine, change the agenda in certain respects from what Keir Starmer was doing, for which he will have no mandate. And I think that's going to get him starting off on the wrong foot as far as the public is concerned.
Do you have an explanation in your head for, I mean, Keir Starmer by metrics is literally one of the least popular prime ministers, I think the least popular prime minister in British history, which even as someone who was never a huge fan of his, I actually find quite difficult to understand in terms of his own performance. I get the sense, and correct me or just disagree with me if you disagree, His deep unpopularity is a product of the reality of the country and where it's at. And the fact that to change that, you have to drastically change direction, which we're not doing.
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Chapters
5 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:00–7:56
2
What does Melanie Phillips say about Keir Starmer resigning and Andy Burnham replacing him?
7:56–17:20
3
Why does Melanie argue Britain is in long-term social and political decline?
17:20–56:06
4
How does Melanie explain the rise of insurgent parties like Restore and Nigel Farage’s loss of sheen?
56:06–1:34:48
5
Why did Melanie shift from supporting to criticizing the US/Israeli campaign against Iran?
1:34:48–1:38:04
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