Reaction to Alastair Campbell, Nigel Farage and Andy Burnham as PM
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What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Really, we're just trying to talk to people and find out what the truth is. And that's what, you know, with Alistair, that's what we did. It's also what we did with Nigel Farage.
If they're making an argument that you don't think it holds water, is not consistent, then you can't just let it go. You have to challenge it.
We have a new prime minister now. He will save the country.
Mate, I can't. What about us? Did we get a say in it?
The way the current electoral system works is basically you've got children voting for how much candy they're going to get.
Yeah. That is the thing that terrifies me the most. You've never seen a country go broke. You've never seen hyperinflation. You've never seen it when things get really bad. And I'm telling you, it's terrifying.
All this Andy Burnham looks, he's got nice hair and he wears a t-shirt and he's from the north and he's a nice guy. All of this is about to evaporate because he's going to be confronted with the reality of government.
Francis, good to be here with you. Welcome back. Thank you, mate. Delighted to be here. It's been an interesting couple of weeks.
It has been an interesting couple of weeks. Last week in particular, I thought, summed up everything we've been trying to build here when in the same week we interviewed Alastair Campbell, Tony Blair's former spokesman, director of communications, now host of one of the biggest politics podcasts in this country. And then soon afterwards, we interviewed Nigel Farage, who's been under the cosh a fair bit. and put some uncomfortable questions to him, but nonetheless had the usual respectful conversation that we tend to do with all our guests. And that really is what we're trying to do, have people from across the spectrum on the show. And if they make sense, they make sense. And if what they're saying doesn't quite make sense, we probe and challenge and we see what happens.
Well, that's it. And the thing that I always wanted to create, and you did as well, was the fact that we never wanted to be, despite what people may think, like a right-wing channel. It just happened naturally. It just happened naturally, mate. Do you know what I mean? But no, we never wanted that because the moment you create a channel which appeals to a partisan audience, what you automatically do is you give up your independence, right? You give up your independence of thought. And we never wanted to do that. We never wanted to be on any train, whether it's a left-wing train, the right-wing train. Like, you take, for example, Trump. There were things that we agreed with Trump, but there were also things that we've been publicly pushing back on.
For instance, the Iran war. Neither you nor I think that is a good idea. We both think that it's actually a mistake that will have grave long-term consequences. globally and economically. So I was really pleased with that because what it sends is a signal out to people that if you want to come in a show where you will get challenged, but you'll get challenged in good faith, this is the one place where you will come on. We're not going to strawman. We're not going to misrepresent. We're going to hear what you say, and then we're going to push back accordingly if we disagree.
Yeah, and to your point about left and right and all this stuff, I have to say, first of all, it's great that Alistair came on. I think it's great that he came on, and I respect him for that, and I think it's to his credit that he was able to come on. One thing that we've tended to experience in the past when we get people on from that kind of worldview is very often if you find that there's a flaw in their argument and you make a powerful counter argument to what they're saying, their reaction is to get nasty and to get personal, to start attacking you, to start trying to smear you, et cetera. He didn't do any of that, which I really respect and I think that was great. You know, the challenge is when people are saying things that don't make sense, you have to push back on that.
And sometimes people think that we are not, you know, somewhere in the particular spectrum where they'd like us to be for their own reasons.
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Chapters
7 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:02–5:35
2
Why did Triggernometry interview Alastair Campbell and Nigel Farage this week?
5:35–9:19
3
How does the show maintain editorial independence while hosting opposing views?
9:19–17:42
4
What differences did hosts observe between Alastair Campbell’s and Nigel Farage’s interviews?
17:42–26:03
5
Which root causes of populism and political change do the hosts identify?
26:03–29:37
6
How do the hosts evaluate economic drivers like QE, inflation and wealth inequality?
29:37–46:49
7
What is the debate over immigration, law and public frustration in the UK?
46:49–50:15
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