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Chapter 1: What sparked outrage over Trump's tweet about Robert Mueller's death?
Robert Mueller died this weekend, okay? And when he died, the president was one of the first to send out a tweet. The president was very complimentary of Chuck Norris when he died. But unlike Chuck Norris, when Robert Mueller died, this is his tweet. Robert Mueller has just died. Good. I'm glad he's dead. He can no longer hurt innocent people. President Donald J. Trump. Vinny.
Well, listen. Listen. Me, personally, I think Robert Mueller was a horrible human being. I think he went after Trump. He went after Trump's family, his business associates, his friends, his political allies, anyone he thought that could help him create a link between the president and Russia. He caused...
countless numbers of innocent people to spend millions and millions of dollars on legal fees based on a hoax that we all knew was a hoax, including Roger Stone, who I did a podcast with and we're going to be airing it today. On top of destroying lives, he deceived the American people and divided so many. I've lost friends because of that.
I lost family members that never wanted to talk to me again. But that being said... Horrible person, right? I am completely against someone celebrating someone's death. Full stop. And yes, I remember the Japanese thing.
Chapter 2: How did the panel react to Trump's justification of his comments?
Pearl Harbor, remember? That's funny. That's him off the cuff. That's cool. But that's who we're dealing with. But I'm not judging him. I'm just pointing out the fact, remember, a true Christian wouldn't write that patent, even if somebody was around him. He's not a true Christian. Well, remember, Adam, remember we had that?
You can't have the standard. He himself said, I don't think I'm going to heaven, and he joked about it. And he says, Charlie Kirk, he's... His Lord and Savior.
But remember, when we talked about it the last time, when I said Trump said that, people were like, no, that's not what he said. You misheard what he said. Because people still believe that Trump is a Christian because he has people like, well, Paula White. We could get into her later.
But Pat, the crazy thing is when I saw this story, and I promised you guys, I was sitting on my couch reading the Gospel of Matthew. I think I told Tom about this. It was a Sermon on the Mount. On chapter 5, and this is where, remember I told you one of the hardest things for me is praying for my enemies and really hoping that they do well to get into their minds.
Matthew chapter 5, chapter 43 says, You have heard this, that it was said, Love your neighbor and hate your enemy, but I tell you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you that you may be children of your father in heaven. He causes his son to rise on the evil and the good and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward do you get?
Okay? And it's so hard. It's so hard. It's so hard. But here's the thing. Whoever's sitting next to Trump, how are you letting him press send? How are you saying, go ahead and put that out? I understand he was a horrible person. I understand. There's so many people out there that are trying to destroy him. But you can't have that attitude. You can't have that good, I'm glad he's dead.
I'm sorry, but that's not the attitude to have. I think it's a really, really bad thing for the president.
Well, I agree with that. Morally, spiritually, I never celebrate somebody's death. The best thing, think about your worst enemy.
Tom, I've seen you celebrate a lot of iguanas' death. Oh, yeah. Don't act like a saint, Tom.
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Chapter 3: What moral considerations are raised regarding celebrating someone's death?
Well, listen, as long as none of these Democrats don't turn out to be reptiles, they're fine, right?
Otherwise, we may have trouble. One of the most feared men in Fort Lauderdale is Tom Ellsworth and the iguana community.
That's exactly right.
By the way, they call him John Gotti.
That's exactly right. And so be careful. If Schumer turns out to be a snake, uh-oh. So, now then, I don't celebrate another human's death. One of the most beautiful things that ever could happen in life is someone who is, call it an enemy, an enemy turns and changes. And the joy you have at that, say, not only is it over, but then you have the joy, right? The original joy of your salvation.
That's... you know, a precious moment here on earth. And I've had that experience. You know, I've had that experience a couple of times with people that I really didn't like things and they came to the Lord and, and it changed their life. And so I did not like to see this response right now. But we're going to say, now you're going to say, but, but I'll say, but, but,
What Trump went through and what Robert Mueller did was horrifying. What Robert Mueller did to so many people was absolutely horrifying. And you know what? It made me think about this. Can we look at a quick clip, Pat, of Trump reacting at the end of a long day, about to get on Air Force One, and being told Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died. He was not a friend of Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
Go ahead, Rob. Let's see it. Back up. Go ahead.
She just died? Wow.
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Chapter 4: How did Trump's history with Mueller influence the discussion?
I didn't know that.
Rob, we can't play that music, Rob. So, Tom, what is he about to say?
That was me singing in the background. See his face? He pauses. He looks down. He holds up his hands, and he said, she had an amazing life. And he complimented her. He said, we didn't agree, but she had an amazing life. And so you're sitting there saying, there's a compliment.
He's not saying, oh. There's a big difference. Did she send guys to come to your place and go through your wife's panties?
No, that's my point about Robert Mueller. It's like Trump is not, to people that say he's a monster, he's not. There is an example. He was gracious with a political adversary.
You know, I had Anthony on the other day, right? We were with him last week, Scaramucci, who is not a fan of Trump. Still. Oh, and he said, why? He says, look, he called my wife out. It's permanent. Guess what? I agree. I get it. Okay, cool. I understand it. Robert sent people to go through. This is what Besson said when he was asked about it. Rob, if you want to play the Besson clip, go for it.
Ask you a different topic about a post by President Trump from yesterday responding to the death of former special counsel Robert Mueller. He posted this quote, Robert Mueller just died. Good. I'm glad he's dead. He can no longer hurt innocent people.
Do you think it's appropriate for the president of the United States to celebrate the death of an American citizen, someone who's a Bronze Star, Purple Heart recipient and who served in Vietnam?
Kristen, I was with the president in the green room at Davos and there was a video playing of what may have been an illegal raid on his home at Mar-a-Lago. They are going through his wife's wardrobe and I watched the look in his eye and I think that neither one of us can understand what has been done to the president and to his family.
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Chapter 5: What are the implications of Trump's comments on leadership and morality?
It's the hardest. All the other stuff, it's very challenging, Pat. Lusting over... You know this because you were with me. I'm not... If you look at a girl in lust, you've already done it in your heart. This is not an easy thing, but once you go for Christ and you're like, okay, I'm all in, it's very difficult. But if somebody dies for you to say, good, there's the difference.
I would never, ever, ever be able to do that again. As much as I hated him. By the way, I'm not married. Nobody came to my house. Nobody rated me. Nobody tried to rob me. I get all that aside. The most challenging thing is just, how about this? Feel however you want to feel.
You don't post it for the entire world to see and the person next to you, whoever's in charge of your tweets or whatever, says, yeah, go for it. I would have felt the Christians around him would have said, Mr. President, we know that you're not. I'm just telling you, sir, this is a horrible look. It's a very, very horrible look. You can be glad it's over.
You see a guy has hostages and there's a bank robbery. Let's see what Adam's going to say. And the police take actions. I'm glad that's over.
Adam, go ahead. Trump basically dancing on the grave of Mueller is such a Trump thing to do. And it's not something that any one of us would do or condone. At the same time, if there's one person that Trump would like to direct his entire vengeance, it's clearly Robert Mueller. Think about it.
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Chapter 6: How do personal experiences shape the panel's views on revenge and forgiveness?
How many of us have been president of the United States? How many of us have had our entire first term of president hijacked over Russia, Russia, Russia? Now, is that Robert Mueller's fault? No. Because there was Jeff Sessions, the Attorney General, he stood down. Then it was Jim Comey, he got fired. And then it was Rod Rosenstein.
But at the end of the day, Trump is directing all his energy and vengeance and cold-blooded and ruthlessness at this one person. Now, is that right? Obviously, none of us have been in that position, but something tells me that Trump knows exactly what he's doing. And I wish that Trump didn't do stuff like this.
But if someone if you're the president of the United States and this guy is basically the personification of bringing you down, I understand where Trump is coming from. I actually see both sides of this.
But here's my thing, Adam. Here's the thing. If you hate all these people so much and you have that much animosity, why isn't Kash Patel, why isn't the Department of Justice going after every single one of them? We all know what Obama did. We all know they spied on you. We have all the facts. You have everything. A couple of months ago, didn't he say, oh, the auto pen.
I'm undoing all the auto pen. So where are the investigations? What's Kash Patel doing? What is he actually doing besides going to UFC fights and hanging out with people or going to hockey games? No, no.
very simplistic way to put everything no no no it's not simplistic it's this ready for this that's like you go to a hockey game i'm like what does vinny do no no no no you went to one game no but here's my thing in a different country during a time of of mayhem here's adam here's the thing if you hate them so much go on vacation hold on you're not allowed to work 24
Adam, if you hate a guy so much that when he dies you say, good, I hope he's dead, why aren't you going after him right now? You are the president of the United States. Because guess what? They're openly saying when the left gets back into power, Adam, we're all done. I hear you. Nobody wants that. But when you say go after him, what do you mean by that? Meaning, ready for this?
Everybody knows Russia collusion, can we all agree, was a complete hoax with Hillary Clinton, the DNC, the dossier, all of them, and Obama used Brennan and all them to spy on people, Carter Page and Papadopoulos, during the freaking presidency. Adam, it was all a lie. Hillary got a slap on the wrist and the DNC got a fine. We all remember this from 10 years ago. So here's my question.
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Chapter 7: What parallels are drawn between Trump's reactions and past political figures?
Why aren't you going after every single one of them? The Fauci's, the Comey was in? They dropped the thing? They dropped the suit on him and then what the hell's going on?
What makes you think that they haven't taken any action on this?
Because none of them have been arrested, Adam.
Well, that doesn't mean that they haven't taken action.
By the way, I will tell you. It's a good argument as well, good point. Because, you know, one of the things they voted for was Cash. Cash has not lived up to expectations. He was one of the guys that a lot of MAGA community was super stoked about Going after a lot of guys. He didn't do it. Why? Nobody knows. By the way, here's the other part that I will tell you.
Is a part of it why he didn't Trump's orders? You think Cash is not going to do what Trump tells him to do? Right. You don't think Trump is saying, Cash, hang on to it. I'll tell you when to use it when we need it. Hang on to it. I'll tell you when to use it when we need it. Hang on to it. Because you know how this thing works?
When you're running a business, and let's just say you're running a sales organization, you'll have a lot of contests you'll run. And let's just say you have five types of contests. Tom knows this. And one contest is a small two-week or one-week, boom, go. It's going to be good. One contest is good for a month. One contest is good for 90 days. One contest is good for a year.
And one contest is good for two to five years that you're running. And so you will sit there in the sales organization, and you'll hang on to say, Tikra, not right now. Not right now. Go. Not right now. Not right now. Hang on to it. Go. Maybe he has these stories and he's just waiting because he looks at the calendar.
When do you think Trump knew he was going to tweet at 7-10 saying the fact that they have good talks and he's extending it to five days? At what point do you think Trump knew that tweet was coming out?
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Chapter 8: What conclusions does the panel reach about power and restraint in leadership?
It's not the other way around. Anything he's doing. Tom, do you agree? Anything he's doing is on the orders of Trump that Trump's going to say, not right now, not right now, not right now. What do you think?
Absolutely with Cash, because the FBI is big. You know, could Department of Energy or, you know, the Interior, they have a program going on or something. You know what I mean? They have something going on, yeah. But Cash Patel, no. With what's going on with Pam Bondi and now Cash, I think anything that Cash is positioning on, he's not out there as a lone wolf. I agree.
He's saying, all right. Essentially what you're saying is that Cash has over-promised and under-delivered. And we'll see what happens with that. But one thing you cannot accuse Trump of is over-promising and under-delivering. He's, you know, promises made, promises kept. The question of cash still remains to be seen.
Yeah, we will see. We will see. But so far, underwhelming is... An understatement. An understatement. And, you know, no one's really interviewed him properly. Everyone that's interviewed him since he's been in has been soft. It's not been like, hey, what happened with this? And so they're protecting. I've invited a couple times, and at one point we were like, hey, are we going to do this or not?
I want to ask some questions. Yeah, of course. He's not being asked the right questions. Did he respond? Did his team respond? By the way, I'm not surprised that they're not doing it. But if he wants to gain a little bit of that, by the way, you know, certain jobs you have, your role is to take a lot of weapon for the leader of the company. There are certain jobs. Oh, I know it, Pat.
No, you definitely don't have that responsibility. But trust me, you don't have that kind of pressure. But what I mean is in a leadership team, there are some guys that you're the one that's supposed to do the fighting. You're the one that's supposed to go take the heat. You're the one that's supposed to get all the humility, all the negative shit that's got to be blamed on you.
Almost some of the stuff that's got to be blamed on you, even though it's not your fault. The profile of some... The profile of somebody that does that is not everybody's job, but every administration has to have a handful of people that understand their role. You don't interview like that. Like this movie yesterday I watched with T. Cone Dillon.
It's a movie called Hail Mary with Ryan, is it Reynolds? Not Ryan Reynolds. Ryan Gosling. Ryan Gosling. Did you watch it, Rob, or no? I've seen the previews. I haven't seen it. Freaking amazing movie. There was no politics in it, nothing. And there is a scene. where they're coming and saying, look, 25% of the world could get killed because of the sun, okay, and what's going on with the sun.
And there's these certain particles that are eating up the sun, and the sun's getting weaker and weaker, and we need you to help us out. And Ryan Gosling is a teacher in school. He's like, what are you talking about? He said, well, you wrote this paper. We want you. There is a scene where it's like we want you to think about it.
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