Chapter 1: What happens when Tamra rejoins The Real Housewives of Orange County?
Who cares what happens when there's so much that happens?
Hello and welcome to Watch What Crap Ends, a podcast about all that crap we just love to watch on Bravo. I'm Ben Mandelker and joining me today is the one and only Ronnie Karam in a matching green shirt. Hi Ronnie, how are you?
Hi, we are having a very olive green shirt day.
Yeah, mine looks darker, but only because I don't have a lot of light on it. And look at you throwing a pillow back there.
I'm only wearing a pillow on a chair. What the heck? Okay, do the intro. I'm going to fix that.
Okay, you fix that. Ron is going to go take care of his pillows back there. We are here. It's Orange County Day.
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Chapter 2: How does the roofie bomb affect the cast dynamics?
We love Orange County Day. So here's what you need to know about Watch What Crappens and the Watch What Crappens experience. So we have a Patreon, patreon.com slash Watch What Crappens, where you can actually do all sorts of fun things. Like you can listen to our bonus episodes. We do a bonus episode every single week.
This week, we actually told stories of our youth and being young and in the business and Ronnie's interactions with Robert Goulet and Sally Kellerman. And I talked about my interactions with Amy Sedaris and Diane Cannon. And there was some, I don't remember what my first story. Oh, what was my first story? Was it Diane Cannon? I don't know.
But we've really- Conan stuff, Uber stuff.
Yeah, Conan. We just told old stories about being young and coming up in Hollywood or just in the business in general. So that was actually a really, really fun and lovely bonus episode.
Chapter 3: What are the implications of Gretchen's statements?
Also crap is on demand. You can watch us, not just listen. These videos are here on Patreon for, for a week before they go out to our YouTube. So that's the big that's a surprisingly large pitch for Patreon. You'd think we'd never talk about it before. And don't forget that this Monday we have crappy hour. That's when we do a show on YouTube live.
It's also simulcast Instagram where we talk about Bravo headlines and things like that. We have a lot of fun with it. If you've never watched it, it's usually the two of us. Sometimes we have a guest.
In fact, one of our more recent guests is a lady who has been quite the topic on Real Housewives of Orange County, Kiki Monique, which is my way of saying let's talk about some Orange County this episode. Ronnie. What did you think about this episode? This episode to me was like, it was like Rashomon, but it was like Rahashosimon.
Chapter 4: Why does Katie's credibility come into question?
It was like Rosimon. It was R-H-O-S-E-M-O-N because like the number of perspectives that start to come out and by the end of it, you're like, what is the truth?
Well, you know, we had already spoken before this a little bit because I started the day really upset. I mean, I came on to talk to Ben and we got on the phone and I was like, what the hell? I hate these kind of episodes where things just prove me wrong. You know, I'm a Virgo. I like to have my judgments correct. And last week, well, a couple of things happened last week after the recap.
Because look, I remember saying in last week's recap, well, I don't understand Tamara's motivation. Why would she lie about this? And I don't believe Katie, but at the same time, I don't believe Tamara either. But I hate not knowing what's going on. It makes me crazy.
And then Tamara posted, because I wrote the description for last week in the episode notes, and I said something like, Tamara's evil plan failed.
Chapter 5: What reactions does Tamra's departure evoke among the cast?
And then Tamara commented on our post on Instagram saying,
What do you mean my evil plan failed? What the hell is that supposed to mean? What do I have to gain from this information?
Or whatever. And I didn't respond, but... And then because, of course, I was referring to you trying to turn everybody against Katie and it blew up in your face is what I what I meant in the description. Then I went on to Judgy Girls to talk to Courtney, which you're going to go on this week as well. And we were talking about OC and we talked about it at length a really long time.
And I've just I hate being wrong on multiple episodes and not being able to figure out what's going on. And it pissed me off. And then I watched this one and, you know, it made me mad. But here's why I'm mad. Because I actually have to kind of apologize. Like, Tamara, I mean, you were right.
Chapter 6: How do the housewives navigate their relationships in New Orleans?
So ultimately, I have to even apologize to Tamara. So I'm going to do it. I'm just going to suck it up. I was wrong. You were right. I still don't believe the way that you handled it was proper. And I still believe you're mostly an asshole on this show. But when you're right, you're right. And this time, you know what? You were right. So there. Okay? There.
I don't know. I actually loved it.
Chapter 7: What role does humor play in the discussions about serious topics?
You were frustrated by it, but I loved it. I loved that by the end of the episode, we discover that they're all lying. They're all covering up their own stories. They're all unreliable narrators. And I think that's actually a really fun, exciting space to be in. Normally, you'd say, if they're all lying, this is actually shitty because then we don't know what's true.
But I think that's what's actually so funny. Like, I think... as we discovered like, oh, actually Gretchen may have said this, or she said something close to it. And then she's saying, no, I never said it, but then she does say it. And then, and then Katie is like, well, I didn't say it, but now I did say it, but then, but this is what I really said.
And Jen's like, maybe I said it, maybe it didn't. And now Katie seems like she's going to turn on them. It's so, first of all, they're all lying. They're all like they're all lying.
Chapter 8: What unresolved tensions linger as the episode concludes?
Yeah, they're all lying.
But I didn't see it coming that Gretchen and Slade had had told everybody and then called to tell them to lie about it. You know, I mean, that was like an element I didn't see.
You know, because what was confusing me last week was why would Gretchen... Okay, if they have this whole thing and Katie did go tell Kiki Monique this stuff, then why wouldn't Gretchen be furious at Katie for telling Gretchen Monique, you know, for telling Kiki Monique? That was what was confusing.
Like, if she did do it, and it seems like she probably did, then why isn't Gretchen mad if Gretchen said that? But then we find out this week the answer is because Gretchen and Slade thought that they had stopped it by telling Katie not to say anything.
Well, all three of them are dumb because they have all they've all made this actually much more of a scandal than it actually is. Tamara ignited something. She knew she would ignite it because Gretchen should if this is what happened, Gretchen should just be like. Well, yeah, I told her that I was concerned that I had been drugged and I went to the hospital and I got some tests done.
And I think that like Gretchen is like flinching now because she's afraid she's going to get sued or something like that. But like, it's so old and it's so it's all hearsay and it's all so silly that like. I don't know. And I don't think it's a big deal. And on top of that, the person who brought up on camera was Tamara. It's not Gretchen.
So like, I just, I feel like the more that they are defensive and they change their stories, the more they're making it sound like this is a big scandal that someone should be like, should be to blame for and that someone should be angry about. And honestly, it's not. I think that Gretchen had a right to, if Gretchen said that, she had a right to say, I thought that Tamara roofied me.
No, because they took it even further and she said, Tamara did roof, she said she did get, she did test positive for drugs. She went to the hospital and they tested her and she had drugs in her system. And then she denies that she said that. No, Gretchen said it.
No, Gretchen said that she went to the hospital. But we saw her say that she went to the hospital, right?
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