Chapter 1: What iconic moments from RHONY are highlighted in this episode?
Who cares what happens when there's so much that happens?
Hey everyone, welcome to Watch Our Crap, and it's a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to watch. I'm Ben Mandelker, and joining me on this wonderful Thursday afternoon is the hilarious and glorious and supportive of other women, Ronnie Karam from Rose Pricks Bachelor Rose. What's going on, Ronnie? Well, hello, Ben. How are you?
I'm doing so great today, okay?
What a classic episode of Real Housewives of New York City. Oh my god, this was an amazing episode. I could not believe this gift that came down from the Bravo gods. It's just, Real Housewives of New York, they know how to bring it, which at this point is now just sounding cliche or, what, trite or, I don't know. It's like, it's not a novel thing to say they know how to bring it.
But every time they do bring it, it's like, wow. Wow, they just bring it nonstop. I mean, this was an episode that had three full cast set pieces in it. And that's just par for the course. And we say it a million times. Everyone always says that if this were Beverly Hills, this would be three episodes right here. But the truth is, I mean, it's true.
It's like none of these other franchises can compete.
Oh, my God. We'd have interventions for, like, 12 different people. Like, even side characters on this show. Oh, my... I just... I can't, Ronnie.
This episode was so good. It was so... I was cracking up the entire time. I mean, everything. And I... I mean, these editors, they know how to craft a show. The producers and the editors, who obviously worked well together, they are just blazing hot. This is, like, Emmy-worthy storytelling right here. Like, those Emmy voters have—
Those Emmy voters have to get their snobbery out of their asses, okay? When it comes to the reality TV category, this needs to be nominated for whatever... What is the category? Reality, non-competition, something or another? Sorry, can we not give it to Deadliest Catch or not nominate Deadliest Catch or Crabs on the Ocean or whatever those shows are called?
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Chapter 2: How does the podcast discuss the dynamics of friendship among the cast?
Okay. Okay, so this is where the fight gets really weird for me because, again, the show makes me jump sides every damn show. I'm a hypocrite. And I don't even know what side I'm on anymore because – Bethany's like, well, yeah, of course I called him an operator. Remember when we talked, I called him an operator. I told you I think he's an operator.
Which, if she already told you that, what are you mad at?
Just because he works for the phone company doesn't mean that he's an operator. Just because his phone number is zero. Just because I met him when I called 212-555-1212 doesn't make him an operator.
Well, you know, it's all a branding issue. I mean, if my phone number was zero, I'd say it was, oh.
Give me a call at, oh. Oh. Yes, it was so nice of Oprah Winfrey to make a magazine about my phone number. Oh. Thank you, Cirque du Soleil. I'm going to sue Oprah Winfrey for publishing my phone number to the masses. Oh. So Bethany is like, you know what? This time I went to different places, you know?
Like, you were traveling with Tinsley and like, you know, and like, and I don't need your commentary. I don't need your commentary. And Carol's like,
oh yeah you know you're right my friend in LA's husband died so I spent time in LA too so thanks for reminding me that my friend's husband died you know like they weren't really getting anywhere yes and then you've got Sonia shaking her head over on the side like she's the mature one I love when Sonia's the mature one it always cracks me up she's like this is very awkward because they're
very close friends of mine and carol's like yeah but you said you told me about telling adam houston and you never told me about adam which who cares what is this about telling carol about adam going to houston why does that matter i don't know i i was i was a little i was actually a little confused as to what
was said to what and what was offensive to what at this point but basically bethany is getting frustrated so she stands up to leave during this like don't leave don't leave say say what you have to say don't leave so so bethany's like all right all right so she sits down and she's like she's like okay like don't interrupt me okay just like let me say what i gotta say all right so here's the deal so what i when i when i texted you and i said this thing about adam and carol's like
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Chapter 3: What controversies arise regarding support for women in the episode?
So yeah, I'll give you props, but like... Whatever, shut up about your fucking marathon, okay? Yeah, so she goes, you said Luanne's a loser. Luanne goes, excuse me, what did you just say?
Luanne's a loser. Luanne's a loser. So she's like now stirring her own loser stew over there.
And Ramona's chiming in. I don't know if you noticed it, because Luanne goes... What did you say about me? What did you say about me? And Ramona goes, you're a loser.
It's like cracking up, Ramona.
Yeah.
She goes, well, if I'm a loser, the rest of the world sucks. Okay? I'm a loser, really? Then it comes to her talking to us, and she's like, a loser. Do I look like a loser? I mean, really? If I'm a loser, God, I mean, right?
Do I look like a loser to you? I feel like I'm a winner in my very own rented penthouse.
So Bethany's like, you know what? I'm done about it. I'm done. I'm done about it. Okay? I'm done about this. About this.
I'm done. Leave me alone. Leave me alone.
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Chapter 4: How do the hosts react to the editing choices in the episode?
Like skinny weeds. That's what I call them. You know what? It's like you go to your garden, and then you have weeds, but they're skinnier than usual. Skinny weeds, huh? So Bethany's like, this is a seismic rift, okay? You know what? Like Carol said that, Carol said saying that, like, I called you Luann the loser. Like, that's a Ramona move. That's like a Ramona move, okay? That's bad. That's bad.
So it's like, okay, this is bad now if she's comparing Carol to Ramona.
Yes. And there are often separate corners complaining about each other. And so Carol's like, well, she wasn't supportive. She didn't donate a penny to my charity, and I didn't say anything. Carol, it was a marathon, okay? If you want people to give you money, sell some Girl Scout cookies on your way. You know what I mean?
That's how to do a marathon. Yeah, exactly. And also it's like... Bethany is literally chartering airplanes to go to Puerto Rico. I mean, it just came out today. I guess the White House said that this was the best female response of all time to Puerto Rico. I think that's what I saw on The View fleetingly today, so I'm sorry if I get that wrong. I don't know why I'm bringing that up.
I'm not trying to politicize this podcast. But the point is that Bethany was actually doing stuff. She was doing more than FEMA, I feel like. And so Carol's like, you, like, I ran a marathon. You know, it's like, okay, like, Carol, like, sorry if Bethany didn't. First of all, I think Bethany did donate to you. And second of all, sorry if she was preoccupied chartering airplanes to Puerto Rico.
I don't know. To me, it was a petty moment.
So Bethany's still freaking out and squealing, like, well, she says I don't trust her, and now I don't trust her, because she said this thing. Why would I trust her? Ah! Like she's doing her squeal thing where she's just in the manic. Yeah. That's toothpaste. I can't put toothpaste back in the tube. And so she's squealing. And then Luanne goes, all right, now that's enough. Listen here.
There is no loser here. It's like, let's concentrate on the fight. Someone called me a loser. So she gets a big feather boa thing. And she's like.
oh ciao bella no that's italian all right let's start again smooth operator she's just singing and bethany's like what happened to this house like i feel four feet tall right now like what what the hell is happening she's like it's the berserk shows bethany thank you that's what happens oh there we go french just like my former husband count alexander de seps
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Chapter 5: What comedic moments stand out during the holiday party?
Well, it was probably a wig from burning all her hair off. Yeah, maybe that was what it was. So, yeah, they're just giggling around.
She's like, I own Santa. I own Santa, Bethany. Stop trying to take Santa from me. And Bethany's like, ah, I didn't know she owned Christmas. Okay. I mean, she has the hair of Mrs. Claus, and I've got the job enough. So it worked out. I'll just be her what's-a-matter.
I didn't know that elves had specifically jaws, like signature jaws. I thought elves had fairly standard jaws.
Well, I think she's doing the elves from those Claymation movies, which I've been talking about a lot this week for whatever. Those Claymation Christmas movies where they all have huge chins.
I think she's, she's probably, I think it's her way of saying, yeah, I know I got a jaw situation. Okay. I know. I know. Okay. I know. I know. So, um, so now, uh, so Bethany, so, but so Carol and Dorinda are sitting on a bed now and they're like talking about the fight and everything. And then Bethany walks in and she's like, Oh my God. Like, well, it's like a circle jerk of conversations. Yeah.
I said circle jerk. It's not funny. It's like circle jerk. It's like, it's like penis. It's like semen. It's like, it's like I got semen on my face, but it's a conversation. It's a semen conversation. See what I'm saying?
Yeah. I'm not going to do this anymore. I'm not going to do this anymore. Carol. Because Carol is still talking to Carol's on the bed now talking to Dorinda. And she's like, well, you know, I think Bethany is looking at this through the lens of her own experience. Like narcissists do. I'm like, excuse you. That is what human beings do. God forbid you apply your own experience to something. Yes.
And I love this show for making me go so.
so far to the other side already it's like last week i was like screw bethany carol's totally right out there bethany and this week i'm like shut up carol well it's kind of funny this episode ultimately winds up being very anti-bethany so it is like it's over even the course of the episode i was a Even though most of the audience, I think, was on Carol's side. I was more on Bethany's side.
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Chapter 6: How is the theme of 'losers' explored throughout the discussion?
Honey, I got it. Which, of course, she says all the time. I'm just pointing that out. Don't call me honey. Don't call me honey. So she's like, that got to a ten. It didn't need to. She goes, all right, let's bring it to a seven. Well, it's a seven now. It's a seven now. So we can't bring it to a seven. All right, then a two. Well, I want a zero. I want a zero. How about that?
It's like, oh, my God. You're even arguing about what you're going to bring it down to.
You know what I want? You know what I want? I want zero divided by one. Because you know what that is? It's an imaginary number. It's an I. Okay? I want I. I want I right now. Imaginary numbers.
It's like, well, now I'm in these PJs because Dorinda's in the other PJs. She's like, oh, you have other PJs too? And she goes, yeah, Dorinda's vagina right now. Like, they're so far up her vagina. It's like, she's gonna give birth to a baby, like, velvet Santa Claus suit.
Dorinda did mention having camel toe a few times this episode. She was like, alright, yeah, yeah, yeah, you guys can camel toe my Santa Claus. So, um, now all of a sudden we're just the next morning. It's just, it's like, after all that, they're like, okay, let's bring it down to a two. Okay, next morning. So now it's the next morning.
And we are in the blue fish room where Luanne's like in bed with Sonia and Bethany is in the other bed. And I was like, was this the sleeping arrangement? And it wasn't. And it was kind of funny because Bethany just sort of like startles awake. And I feel like that's how she wakes up every morning. Like, huh? What's going on? What's going on? What's going on? What's going on?
Well, what startled her is Luanne going,
water water water and she's like oh my god oh my god it's like being woken up by darth vader oh my god we're on the death star okay oh my god oh my god i'm in a space okay i didn't do any training okay oh my god so funny oh my god what are we doing it's betty ford open like what's wrong with this what's on those fish up there why is there fish on the walls it's like a bad lesbian porno flick with fish it's like a it's like a bad lesbian fish porno flick
I'm like, okay, I know you're going for a joke here, Bethany, but like, you know, it's like three women sleeping benignly in beds. It's like women fully clothed under the covers. Cracks me up the alarm. Water, water.
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Chapter 7: What insights do the hosts share about the characters' relationships?
So basically I gave myself a horse bath. Anyone want to smell me? I mean, I need to move out, but I don't have a place. Can I stay with you, Tinsley?
Yeah, which, that'll be an interesting twist. Or that was an interesting twist. By the way, did you notice, Bethany was wearing, like, this big golden sequined top with skinny jeans, which I'm just going to suspect, I'm going to surmise... that those were skinny girls, skinny jeans, right? Those had to be. Did they have the bedazzled shit on the sides?
I couldn't tell, but it felt like such a strange outfit because the top did not match. Those are not two things that you wear together. It seemed very strange. So I was like, the only reason why she'd have this strange outfit on is if she wants to be wearing her skinny girl jeans on TV, which I think is important.
my theory oh for the upcoming yeah the upcoming war skinny girl war yeah so everyone starts arriving and people showing up and then the man arrives and like no one notices she goes well don't anybody get up just a loser has walked in a loser with her own cabaret show just a loser one two three four i'm a loser
A loser. I own it. That's called owning it when you're with Countess and friends. I'm a loser, baby. So why don't you kill me?
um yeah so she comes in and uh luann is oh yeah she's like talking about her red cross i'm like why am i talking so much about she's like yeah hi i'm giving to the red cross because things happen and people need blood so i figure why not get all of my my blood-sucking vampire old lady friends together and give a little and i was like this is not going to work out who in this group could possibly even be eligible to give blood
They're not going to take this blood from any of these ladies, and they don't. No, they most certainly do not. She's like, what better way to give for the holidays than give the gift of blood? I was like, there's got to be a better way to say that. I mean, they won't let us hand out bottles of Sky, so this is the next best thing.
So Carol arrives, and she and Bethany are sort of pretending to still be friends. They're sort of having a, you know, fake pleasantries.
Like, oh, how are you doing? Oh, sushi, that's nice. Oh, you look good.
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Chapter 8: How does the episode conclude with reflections on the cast's behavior?
That's what friends are for. For being friends. For sure. Dionne Warwick is a singer. In good times and bad times. I am, I guess, just a loser. I guess, according to Bethany. The rest of the world is fucked. Au revoir is friends. So then Tinsley and Lou start talking about – they're all leaving. Carol and Dorinda and – who else is leaving? Carol, Dorinda. Like, a few of them leave.
Well, they haven't left yet because basically they're sitting around. It's like, oh, so what's the plan for the holidays? And Lou's like, well – I'm going to go to Palm Beach because my brother's in Jupiter. I guess you could say I'm going out of this world.
Would you like to swing on a star? Anyone? Guess where that star is swinging me. I'm flying into West Palm Beach, Tinsley, just so you know, instead of just Palm Beach. And Sonya goes, isn't Tom going to be there? Which is like, well, I don't know. How would I know?
Why do you ask? And she's like, I thought you were avoiding Tom, Luann. And by the way, Trixie Monocle, again, because when Luann goes, I'm going to Palm Beach, there was this ominous bass line where the bass is like... because you know ominous on real like on any other show ominous is like but on this show it's like instead of it's like bow bow bow so yeah so sonia's like isn't that
Isn't Tom going to be down there? Wow. She's really going back to the scene of the crime. I was like, in more ways than one.
And Bethany's saying, oh, you moved on so great, girlfriend. Like, you've done so good. I'm so proud of you, how you've been moving on with that marathon and everything. Like, look at you, marathon moving on. You're moving on like a marathon man. It's great. Uh, you know, and I heard he has that busted up girlfriend now, you know? I mean, that's what Carol told me. Oh, I'm sorry.
You didn't know that? Oh, I'm so sorry. What a dick.
What a dick. What a dick. What a dick I am. It was Carol who left. Yeah. Yeah. So, but anyway, so Bethany was like, yeah, and he has some busted up girlfriend. You knew that, right? You didn't know that? Like, I don't know. I don't want to talk about it. I mean, why would I talk about it? I'm just some low-rent loser, I guess, who doesn't, left behind, doesn't have a new boyfriend.
But did you like how Bethany did the exact same thing she just got mad at Carol for? She's like, ah, well, just mentioned that Carol's the one who told me she was a busted up...
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