What is customer loyalty — really?Is it points? Discounts? Retention metrics? Or is it something deeper?In this episode of What I Learned in Business (That Didn’t Kill Me!), I sit down with Adam Posner, founder of The Point of Loyalty, host of the What’s the Point of Loyalty? podcast, and author of For Love or Money™ — one of Australia’s longest-running loyalty research studies, spanning nearly two decades and 18 editions.But before Adam became a loyalty strategist, his life gave him a very different education. Growing up in Johannesburg during apartheid, living through conscription into national service, surviving a terrorist car bomb explosion, and emigrating to Australia to start again from scratch — Adam’s worldview was shaped long before he ever designed a loyalty program.From walking the streets delivering scratch-and-save cards into letterboxes, to building a direct marketing agency and ultimately pivoting into customer research and loyalty strategy, Adam has spent nearly 20 years asking a deceptively simple question:What actually makes customers stay?In this conversation, we explore:Why loyalty is about Behaviour, Belief and BelongingThe importance of retail response when the customer experience disappoints loyaltyWhy customer loyalty and trust are closely connectedWhy the world needs a “Pandemic of Joy” — and what Adam calls JoyaltyHow AI and agentic technology may redefine brand–customer relationshipsThis episode is a masterclass in what Adam calls “the finance of feelings” — the commercial power of emotion in a data-driven world.If you lead a brand, manage customer strategy, sit on a board, or simply care about how businesses build trust — this one is for you.DisclaimerThe views expressed in this podcast are those of the individual guest and host and do not constitute financial, legal, investment, marketing or professional advice.This podcast is intended for general informational and educational purposes only. Any discussion of brands, loyalty programs, corporate events or data breaches reflects publicly available information and personal opinion at the time of recording. Listeners should conduct their own independent enquiries and seek appropriate professional advice before making any commercial or strategic decisions.This episode is not a promotional platform and no endorsement of any organisation or product is intended or implied. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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