Chapter 1: What childhood experiences shaped Marie Antoinette's identity?
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Hello and welcome to You're Dead to Me, the Radio 4 comedy podcast that takes history seriously. My name is Greg Janna. I'm a public historian, author and broadcaster. And today we are hopping into our hoop skirts and styling our hair in the French fashion as we travel back to 18th century France to learn about Queen Marie Antoinette. And to help us separate myth from reality, we have two very special courtiers.
In History Corner. She's professor of French studies at the University of Warwick. Her research focuses on French culture in the revolutionary and Napoleonic periods, especially plays, prints and novels. She's the author of Narrative Responses to the Trauma of the French Revolution. It's Professor Catherine Asbury. Welcome, Kate. Thank you very much for inviting me.
And in Comedy Corner, she's a stand-up comedian, actor and writer. You'll have seen her on all the TV, on Live at the Apollo, Mock the Week, Frankie Boyles, New World Order. Or maybe you heard her podcast, WTB, or her other podcast, Memory Lane. And you will definitely know her from our episodes on Hernán Cortés and Melintzin and on Emma of Normandy. It's Jen Bresta. Welcome back, Jen. Thank you, Greg. I'm delighted to be back. We have previously done together English history, Spanish history, Mexican history. Obvious question, do you parlez vous Francaise?
Un petit peu. I don't want to get into it because I don't want to embarrass Kate. Or yourself, Greg, actually. Thank you. But I am very excited about this particular episode, not least because it is French history, what a joy, but because I actually know who this person is. And this is the first time I've been invited onto the show with a historical figure whose name I recognise, so I'm delighted. Marie Antoinette, you know the name, so do you know some of the story?
So, what do you know?
Tämä on Se What Do You Know, jossa ymmärrän, mitä teidän kuulijat tietävät tänne, ja olen varma, että te kaikki puhutte, että heidät jätetään. Hän ei sanonut sitä. Ole hyvä. Voitte olla nähneet Sofia Coppola's fabulous 2006-filmin Marie Antoinette, punk-rock-soundtrackin kestävän Kirsten Dunstan kanssa, tai viimeisenä Marie Antoinette-tv-drama-seriinin BBCin kanssa. Tietysti voitte myös muistaa shokkaan Grammy-arvoinen tehtävänä Heavy Metal Titansin Gojiraan 2024 Pariisissa olympiakirjoituksissa, jonka järjestelmällä on useita mariontoineetit, joilla on sydäntöjä.
Marie Antoinette on nykyinen popkulttuurin ikoni. Mutta mitä hänen elämänsä oli oikein? Miten austriallinen prinsessi on tullut Fransin syrjinnän? Ja kuinka monta kappaletta hän oikein osti? Katsotaanpa. Professori Kate, aloitetaan alussa. Kun ja missä Marie Antoinette oli syntynyt? Ja oli se hänen nimensä?
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Chapter 2: How did Marie Antoinette's marriage to Louis XVI impact her role as queen?
Why does it have to make sure that she's... There's a going to bed ceremony. Oh, come on. It's hard. I mean, we've all... I remember our first time. Can you imagine with an audience? Anything worse?
Kate, talk us through it. So, the archbishop blesses the bed. That's definitely going to get you in the mood. That's really going to get you in the mood. Louis XV then hands the Dauphin his nightshirt. So the grandfather is there offering advice. They then have to lie down in front of the king and the entire court to prove that they have shared the same bed. The king's advice...
Was it useful, Kate? Did Louis rise to the occasion, so to speak? Louis did not rise to the occasion. The marriage was unconsummated for seven years. Is he gay? Or traumatised?
He could be traumatized. Right. There's a lot of discussion over why was the marriage not consummated for so long. Seven years is a long time. We don't know if it was personal hesitation, whether it was health related. Maybe some things are just best lost to history. We don't know why. Seven years, we'll just sort of write that off. Okay, so with the unconsummated marriage already proving an issue, in 1774, so this was still four years into their not sleeping together problem, suddenly Louis was the king of France, because Louis XV died.
making Marie Antoinette the queen of France. So she was 19 just about? Just about 19. Okay, just turned 19. So the age at which we would normally maybe go to university or maybe get your first job. Her first job, queen. Yeah, that's a lot. What's the first thing she does, Kate, in terms of court politics? How does it go?
Not perhaps as well as it might have done. They're both still very young, they're very inexperienced. She has nothing to do, because the marriage isn't consummated, she's not going to get pregnant, and therefore her sole reason for being at court can't exist. So she fills her time with gambling, with balls.
with going incognito into Paris, to balls, to the theatre. She gathers around her a group of young people nearer her own age. She's not interested in being polite to the older members of court. She hates the really strict etiquette of court, so she does all she can to sort of sidestep that. She'd rather have a little bit of privacy. She doesn't want to spend all her time in the public eye.
And really she carries on living the life she'd lived whilst she was the wife of the heir to France, rather than changing her behaviour once she's become queen. So Jen, how do you think she's doing on RateMyMonarch.com? Do you think the people of France are pleased about their new queen? I'm guessing the people of France, and they are very vocal as a people.
eivät ole enää tyytyväisiä uudelleenpäin. He näyttävät olevansa jollia, eivätkä he välttämättä tarvitse ihmisten tarpeita. Esimerkiksi työpaikkojen Parissa ja Franseissa. Mielestäni on paljon huolta ja huolta. Silloin tulevien ongelmien onnistumiset ovat jo olemassa, eikö niin? Ne ovat jo olemassa, kyllä. Jane, miten olisit käsitellyt asioita, jos olisit Mariana Twinettä? Mikä olisi sinun poliisi, jotta ihmiset rakastaisivat sinua?
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Chapter 3: What were the major controversies surrounding Marie Antoinette's spending and lifestyle?
Se on näyttänyt aiemmin todella kasuaalisesti. Suomalaiset suomalaiset suomalaiset suomalaiset suomalaiset suomalaiset suomalaiset suomalaiset suomalaiset
Meanwhile, another huge scandal breaks out. This one involving a very famous necklace. It's called the Diamond Necklace Affair. What happens?
A con artist tries to persuade the former French ambassador to Vienna to buy a necklace to get him back into Marie Antoinette's favour. This is a necklace that Louis XV had ordered for his mistress, but never bought, and Marie Antoinette had turned it down. The former French ambassador, Roanne, thought that it was a good way of getting back in the Queen's good books, buys it, and then finds that he's been completely duped by the con artist, who's taken the jewels and done a runner.
Kyllä, ja hän on hyödyttänyt taiteilijaa, jota hän voisi soittaa kunnossa. Se on semmoinen konnollinen asia. Ja puhuttiin Marianne Toinetteen, ja hän sanoi, että katsokaa, mitä? En ole koskaan kuullut tätä kaveria. Roanne ajatteli, että hän tapahtui kunnossa, kun hän tapahtui sellaiseen seksiaalisuuteen. Ja kaikki uskottiin, että se oli täysin vahvaa, että hän voisi tapahtua kunnossa Versaillesin iltapäivänä. Ja siksi ei kukaan ajatellut, että se oli mitään yleisöä. Tällä hetkellä hänen reputatiivansa oli koko ajan pysähtynyt.
Tämä on yllätys, että hän ei koskaan halunnut heitä. Hän ajatteli, että heillä ei ollut tarpeeksi rahaa. Ja hän oli edelleen koko ajan syönyt. Kyllä, se oli hänen elämänsä.
So here's where I think maybe she's getting a hard rap. Because it doesn't sound to me that within the world that she lives in, in that sort of aristocratic sphere, that she is working particularly outside of that in terms of luxury, spending a huge amount of money on clothing. It all seems to be fitting in within the parameters of what is expected of a queen. Why does she get such a hard rap from the French people?
I think the key to the answer to that question is that it's not initially the French people, it's those at court that she's alienating, because she doesn't want to be with any of the old guard, she wants to be with young people, and there's a very substantial group who are anti-Austrian people.
Hän on edelleen ulkomaalainen, hän ei ole poliittisesti tarpeeksi tyhjä, ja hän on tehty patsiin tämän sortun heistiin. Ja me alamme saada paljon enemmän agressiivisia taitoja hänestä mediassa. Nämä ovat tavoitteet taitoja Mary Antoinette, jotka ovat tehtyä hänet humilioimaan, skandalisoimaan hänet. Hän on taitoja kingin kanssa, hän ei voi olla uskottu. Kaikki näitä asioita. Kaikki näitä.
From the early 1770s onwards, she's accused of nighttime sexual encounters in the palace gardens from before she's even queen. They become increasingly pornographic throughout the 1780s. She's frequently depicted in lesbian relationships with her friends. She's often shown with Louis' brother, younger brother, the Comte d'Artois. They're trying to destroy her reputation and with it the reputation of the French monarchy.
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Chapter 4: How did Marie Antoinette navigate her political responsibilities during the revolution?
And her children, the two surviving children? The son became Louis XVII on his father's death. The king is dead long live the king. So child became king. He dies shortly afterwards in prison, having been looked after, looked after in inverted commas, by the revolutionaries. Not a well child, he dies. Marie-Thérèse will survive. She will become the Duchess of Angoulême and will help Louis.
Louis' younger brother become Louis XVIII. Napoleon famously said of her, she was the only one in the family to wear trousers. Marianne Toinette was executed 16th of October 1793. Her last words, rather extraordinarily, do you want to tell us what they were, Kate? Allegedly. Do we know how much truth there are in actually her words? Allegedly she said to the executioner, pardon me sir, I did not do it on purpose after she stepped on his foot.
Oh, that's heartbreaking. Isn't it? That's so heartbreaking. So she was executed. Do you want to guess how old she was at this point on her death? What are we, 17? So she's like young. What is she, in her 20s? No, 37. Oh, she's 37. Oh my gosh. Extraordinary life. I think, as you said at the beginning of the episode, Jen, a lot of the things we know about her are not true. But actually a lot of the things that the French people knew about her were not true. She was the victim of scandal and rumour and gossip.
Kyllä, ja erittäin yllättävä ja onnistunut Smeer-kampanja, joka todella ylipäänsä ylipäänsä ylipäänsä ylipäänsä ylipäänsä ylipäänsä ylipäänsä ylipäänsä
It's time now for the nuance window. My stopwatch is ready. Kate, take it away. It can be tricky to untangle myth and reality with Marie Antoinette, because what we know largely comes from things others wrote about her rather than from her own words. Opinions then and now are contradictory. Was she a monster or a martyr? Was she thoughtless and frivolous or a scheming villain? Was she depraved or a devoted mother? Did she bring down the French monarchy with her extravagance? Or is she a proto-feminist influencer and role model?
Versailles was a palace of mirrors and multiple reflections. Marie-Antoinette reflects back at us our own biases, so to different people she will mean quite different things. It is important, though, to distinguish more clearly between the teenage Marie-Antoinette and the person she was 20 years later.
Ilprepared to become queen aged 19, she did end up taking on more political responsibilities when Louis was paralyzed by depression and indecision. But the task of modernizing the monarchy and solving the economic crisis without impinging on the privileges of the nobility was an impossible one. During the revolution she tried to save the monarchy, writing a huge number of letters to revolutionaries as well as her brother on the throne in Vienna to try to effect change.
She would have seen herself as acting in France's interests, when in fact it's the point in her life when she's most actively working against them, just another of the many contradictions that make up her life. Her most tangible legacy is the impact she had on interior design, one of her most enduring passions.
Furniture and objet d'art from this period are usually labelled Louis XVI, but it would be much more accurate to call them Marie Antoinette style, as her interest in fabrics and furniture very much marked the late 18th century. Her taste is now appreciated as elegant and refined, a marketable brand for everything from tea to tote bags. Our collective fascination with her riches to rags story shows no sign at all of fading.
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