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本期嘉宾郑永锴和梁鸿儒都是家庭治疗师，郑老师的知乎是：郑永锴 Michael，微博是@郑永锴_Mike。梁鸿儒的知乎是：梁鸿儒，微博是@梁鸿儒X家庭治疗。本期话题包括：生活中无法言说的体验男性在家庭中的缺位大男子主义的背后是工具化信任是亲密关系的核心旅行的目的是拓展自我边界“Steve说”被评为2019苹果最佳播客，是一个基于泛心理学视角，以拓展意识边界和促进个人成长为目标的深度对谈和问答类节目。主播史秀雄是独立心理咨询师，译有《人生十二法则》，著有《假性亲密关系》，也是播客《Man立》的主播。Support Steve说
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