Adam Tooze

Now I can care just about America.

He actually... This goes to this weird relationship.

And actually, he literally says, now I can be America first, right?

Because previously I was doing the peace thing and because you... And I mean, it's so...

Ludicrous.

And the overwhelming, what we've seen here at Davos is that people just are tight-lipped, are shut down about the evident fact that this man to whom they swear a kind of personal loyalty and fealty is...

is childlike and basically crazy.

I agree with Ivan, there may be strategic groups that want to use this for the purpose of the grand rearrangement that you're talking about.

But I think we have to allow for the fact that there is just this emptiness and madness at the heart of the whole thing that is genuinely infantile.

It's a toy.

It's just another ballroom.

It's a toy.

Oh, yeah.

It could not have been clearer about this.

Best credit in the world.

Best.

On the substance, though, of your question, John, about Russia and China,

I mean, this would be, for Putin currently, the greatest disaster in recent history is the collapse of the Soviet Union.

He's spoken about this very eloquently.

I think actually Xi Jinping agrees.