Alison Morrow
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first heard Dec 2024
last heard Dec 2024
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Right. And that psychological operation, whatever you want to call it, was so effective with journalists. And they bought into it hook, line, and sinker and were just believing, like you said, that all these people that were going rogue against the CDC were some kind of fringe weirdos, you know, that just didn't know science. And it just didn't make any sense. Murderers.
Yeah. No, yeah, truly. And then also, there was also this lie that it was like just the disinformation dozen. You know, just a dozen people. You know, I have chickens. I know what a dozen is. Just a dozen. It fits in your little egg carton. And, you know, it's not any more than that, questioning what's going on here.
And so a lot of these journalists, you know, I think they didn't do their research. And they're just like, oh, it's just a few people, so let's just go after them. And that was... again, one of the reasons I decided to start interviewing these people personally, I just wanted to know what was really going on, but also I just wanted to show like, look, these people are at Stanford.
They're at the university of California. They're not, not, not that I have anything against an underground bunker. I live in Florida. I would probably have one if it wouldn't flood, but this is not where these people were coming from. And I just would like, Oh man, it was just mind blowing to me that
That you that you could so easily turn them into complete extremist quacks when it's like these people are just you're like run of the mill doctors. You know, they're just people who have been in business and practice for decades and they're they're totally normal.
Yes, I didn't because I tried. He was very busy at the time. And yeah, and I have a small- He's in Belgium. Yeah, he's in Belgium. No, but I know who he is, yeah.
Okay. The first question was why, right? Why did I see it and other people didn't? It's a million dollar question why some people saw it and other people didn't. I ask almost every guest that comes on my show, especially like in the COVID era, why? And there's so many different reasons. I'm a Christian. I truly believe that it's a spiritual blindness. I think there's just a lack of self-awareness.
I think you have to, you know, we were talking about how I went to graduate school at the reason that I was going to go into addiction counseling was because I had a loved one who was basically dying of a heroin addiction. And I told a professor when I was working at this methadone clinic about why I wanted to be a psychotherapist. And he said, He said, all right, give me it.
And I, well, I have this loved one who I can't save, so I'm going to go save other people. And he looked at me and was like, that is a terrible reason to want to be a psychologist to project all of your issues onto somebody else. You know, have you ever thought about going to therapy? And I was like, uh, I don't know. I was kind of offended, but I decided to do it.
And that was why I ended up getting back into the news business because I got it all out of my system. And I was like, I don't want to work with drug addicts. I'm not good at it. This is not fun. I'm going to go back into reporting. But I think that process set me up to be in a position where I had done a lot of, of just like facing myself on hard issues. And I learned that
like where my blind spots are. And, and instead of like looking at people that kind of irk me and blaming them, I like to turn inward and to look at myself and to see, you know, what it is about me that, that, you know, I have this reaction to them. And then that allows you to kind of be curious about people instead of reactive and defensive. And I think that really, you
carried me through my journalism career, meeting with people and thinking, okay, if I was born in the same situation they were, I had the same parents, I went to the same school, I had the same childhood and young adulthood, could I possibly think the way they do? Well, yeah, I could. So I had no right to really judge them from a spiritual standpoint. I could have ended up just like them.
I didn't choose all these different things. By the grace of God, I am where I am. So it put me in a position to not stand over people and just be interested and not scared of them. There's no fear when you approach somebody that way. They can't dirt at you. I think there's a lot of journalists nowadays that think that if you talk to somebody that
is of one of these, I don't know, danger zones on the internet that somehow you're going to be tainted, which is a crazy way to look at journalism. Those are exactly the people that we should try to understand. But I think that's the reason that I was able to be in that position. I really believe it's a spiritual blindness. I have no other way to describe it.
In a lot of ways, there is an issue with just like the factory farming of information and just the fast-paced and deadline-driven short stories, 90 seconds or less on television, for instance, and shorter copy in the news business and faster more. But the people who see that and are kind of over it and realize that there's no way you can cover a complex topic in that context,
world, a lot of those people have left. So I wish that was just the reason that everybody has good intentions and they would do better if they just had more time. But I don't think that anymore. I left in 2019. I saw the Trump administration, the beginning of that, how that was covered. And, you know, there's a lot of groupthink, just a considerable amount of groupthink.
And it got even worse when Trump was elected because there was this whole self-righteousness about it. Like when we go out and silence people or we quote fact check or whatever the words are that they're using, that they have this righteousness to them that in a way didn't exist or at least not to that level prior to 2016. So then when you kind of pushed into COVID and
COVID became like the next martyrdom where we're going to really have to silence people. We really have to go after misinformation. Like the public is at risk here. And so, you know, as the danger continues to mount, maybe it's the fear within the newsrooms.
I've always had this theory that journalists, if you're seeing something that they want you to be afraid of, it's because they're afraid of it. Like, and if they're not afraid of it, they're just not going to tell you about it because they don't really care. I mean, there's just a lot of like, Projection, I guess, in that world.
So I just think there's so much group think now and like managers don't do a very good job of encouraging people to think differently or to get outside of their safety zone. And a lot of the people that would have done that are gone.
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