Alistair Campbell

Is this what you just said, 50?

But one of the sections of the book...

where he's just going through, because Russia gets involved in it at a certain point, just going through all the people who kind of fell out of windows.

And I'm reading at the moment, I'm now reading the book Nord Stream Conspiracy.

And again, Putin and his ability to, I mean, honestly, Angela Merkel has not come well out of this book because basically you get the sense that Russia is

playing her and keeping her in the Nord Stream thing.

Anyway, it's a bit like London Falling.

It's a non-fiction book written as an absolute thriller.

So Putin sort of weaves in and out all these terrible stories.

But I think the reason why he's only my runner-up is because the winner was

of the most evil hand I ever shook was actually somebody who really killed a lot of his own people and just totally ruined his own country, and that was Mugabe.

I really had a sense meeting, did you ever meet Mugabe?

And he just emanated.

You just didn't enjoy being in the same space.

He had this horrible manner about him.

He was surrounded like a lot of authoritarian leaders are by sycophants sort of, you know, bowing and scraping as he walked.

He had the most ridiculously expensive suits.

I think even Xi Jinping would struggle to match Mugabe on the suit front.

And his little – his handmade shoes with his little – with his initials on the inside, but all this sort of horrible stuff.

But I just think in terms of what he did to his own country, absolutely evil.