Alistair Campbell

And so they're going to share the production.

and then share the use of electricity produced by wind.

But then I think if you look at stuff like defence, I mean...

We were talking to some people out there who were making the point that we talk about our independent nuclear deterrent.

Now, France has a genuinely independent nuclear deterrent.

We don't.

We are reliant on America for firing these missiles, for servicing these missiles.

So would we, in part of this Mark Carney middle power, actually think about

Does France become European nuclear defense?

Does Britain kind of straddle between Europe and the US?

And if so, how does that mean changes that have to be made to our systems?

Okay.

And how well is that going?

Look, if you look at the Ukraine war and how that has been handled, and I think what's happening at the moment is the European leaders who recognize that they alone cannot necessarily, particularly given their economic and political circumstances, run the whole fight.

So they need America.

to be part of it, particularly in relation to intelligence and the stuff that Ukraine cannot do on its own and cannot do without.

So what the European leaders have been doing, they've been doing a little bit of the Rota strategy.

to keep them on board, but at the same time, building up their own defenses and then saying, we're only doing that because Trump bullied us into doing it.

Okay.

I think they've all worked out.