Alistair Campbell

Since when you took us down the Ed Miliband rabbit hole and I then led you into the AI rabbit hole.

So Vinod, what I'm going to do to hit back at you, because I feel I should defend Ed Miliband because he was my politician of the year last year.

He's a regular listener.

I'm going to ask whether he might do his own rebuttal for the newsletter.

I think that would be a very good thing to do.

Because I want to get back to the point about why reform don't like being scrutinized.

It's very, very true.

Look at Farage.

I mean, Farage will normally leap in front of any TV camera anywhere in the world to give you his bonhomie and his shtick.

This 5 million donation where he keeps changing his story, he's nowhere to be seen.

The funding generally of reform, nowhere to be seen.

And also, we discovered that we do have some reform supporters who listen to the podcast, probably so they can shout at us.

But even so, we do have some.

Now, I think, look, the answer to the question, Roy, is that Trump has created his own media ecosystem.

And that's what Farage is trying to do in the UK.

Trump has Fox News and the MAGA people.

That's their safe haven.

Farage has GB News.

Farage has several newspapers that absolutely give him the easiest ride in the world.

As Vinod says, Tice's interview, where he just behaves like a child, gets zero coverage.