Alistair Campbell

This is a guy who's going to, if reform become the government, he's going to be a very, very serious figure.

There's these amazing videos doing the rounds online of some of these reform counsellors.

who basically, the one that's really sort of, I think, please stop selling it to me, people, is the one where the woman who says, you know, I don't know what a constitution is.

I don't understand what a standing order is.

I don't know what I'm supposed to be doing.

And she's leading a council.

So you've got all these councillors are falling by the wayside.

But do you see any of that in most of the media?

No.

So basically, Farage thinks if you just ignore this stuff, he'll go away.

Now, if I were him, if I were Nigel Farage, and I would...

I'd think, well, when he was presenting LBC, I used to go on his show quite regularly.

We had perfectly civil conversations.

We did once have a very aggressive shouting match on television, but that was right after Brexit.

Nearly came to blows, but not quite.

But if he came on our podcast, we would do what we do with every other guest.

We would go through their childhood.

We'd go through their life.

We'd ask them what they think.

And yes, we would want to challenge him and impress him.