Amjad Masad

And why'd you say no?

Because I think I can build a trillion dollar company.

Yeah, it was a competitor.

And implicit in any acquisition offer is a threat.

If you don't sell, we're going to build something to compete with you.

Because they're interested in the product, they're interested in the market.

You have to make a bet on yourself that if I'm not going to sell, they're going to go buy some other company or they're going to go build it themselves and they're going to compete with me.

And do I first have the self-belief that I can go against the juggernauts, go against the big incumbents and win?

Ultimately, for me, it came down to what I would regret more.

Would I regret not selling?

Or would I regret more not

not achieving my and the company's potential.

And I thought that would have been a bigger regret.

Yes, I would be rich, but I would be yet another rich asshole.

There's a lot of them.

But building something meaningful that creates meaning not just in your life, but in other people's lives, whether it's like the team we built, the customers we serve, the entrepreneurs that we're creating,

the worldview we're putting out, the mission we're putting out, the influence that comes from that, I thought it would be a loss not to try.

Do you think big tech in general is threatened by your mission?

Yes.

You know, what's the saying?